Drums certainly were

Have always said and will continue to say that L 'n' L needs a drum and a few horns.

The widnes reggae band were immense

except that's a whole different reason to trying to ensure clarity on the penalty count, or perhaps you think Ganson et al can translate BANG BANG DIDDLE DIDDLE BANG TRUMP TRUMP as "I think that pass was a trifle forward Mr merry whistle blower"

ARE YOU SPIKE MILLIGAN? If so, I claim the fiver

Or we could have an idiot on the PA urging home supporters to shout for offside and other infringements like Cas did three years ago? And they still got relegated.

The drum is a supporter on the main stand side. And no extra noise comes over the tannoy I can assure you of that.
It does as some clubs but not Huddersfield.

There was a meeting about this between Cummings and McDermott before the season started, so I am disappointed that we are still last.

Its not just last year (200icon_cool.gif, it was the year before as well (2007) and that year we topped the Fair Play League.




up to Phil Clarke for pointing this out though.

Another rant. How come Our players play the 10 metre rule so well. Sometimes the opposition could shake the Quins players hand at the PTB.Are You reading Ben Failure

I appreciate its not an easy job reffing in Super League but if I really concerned myself with these stats I would have stopped going back in the Brentford days.

I really enjoy watching Rugby League but have accepted that some clubs get more of a rub of the green than others.

Its not satisfactory to me but I have to like it or lump it.

True, we as fans have very little say, but I feel our club could represent themselves better, not by being un-constructive and difficult, but by working closely with the rfl and where necessary putting our case forward in a stronger fashion.

Part of this is no doubt probably down to a lack of CEO and strong leadership. Hopefully the appointment of a general manager will go some way to rectifying this.

- Unfair suspensions last season (maybe five of our players deserved the bans - but they weren't fighting their own shadows!)
- Losing Julien Rinaldi because we followed the RFL's rules to the letter on overseas players. A rule that other clubs didn't follow. Instead they complained and got a clause added.
- Having the fewest penalties awarded to us in two consecutive seasons (and not getting off to the best of starts this year)

Meanwhile Hull proceed to the Challenge Cup final despite fielding an ineligible player for two consecutive rounds, promised new stadiums from other clubs show very little signs of actually materialising and how many more times do St Helens need to commit a “minor” breech of the salary cap before someone at Red Hall notices its becoming a habit?

Clarky has got this right. Ive been saying this for years and any one who has been to see teams like Saints at home bully (sorry infuence

) the ref into giving penalties for offside or forward passes will understand the way it works. We managed it ourselves against Wigan a few weeks ago for offside. We gave a big shout after we all thought they were offside at the PTB which the ref ignored then on the next PTB the crowd screamed at a higher level and the ref gave it - Penalty to the crowd IMO. This offside business, is very subjective. High tackles are often blown for which are often marginal but a big scream from the crowd often works as i think the ref doesnt want people to say he missed it.
In a perfect world all teams would get a fair call from the ref but it isnt a fair world. So much in RL is subjective and if we are to be a success we need to get more vocal over these things at games. Penalties win games and we need to even up the calls if we want the points.

Anderson at Saints last year after a defeat publicly criticised Smith who was the ref for that particular match, and he never reffed them again for the remainder of the season. Coincidence possibly



This year we get each ref 3 times I believe, so it will be interesting to see the stats at the end of the season. It would also be interesting to study the trends on each ref. Im sure Cummings does this ....yeah

Does our small crowd also prevent us from giving away penalties? Fair play award two seasons ago. our crowds increased a little last season and we didn't win it. This year our crowds are practically nothing and were top of the fair play league again


Mirror mirror on the wall who is the fairest team of all.

Ok I'm bringing my STrepsils tonight so I can do my bit! 14th man in the East Stand!! FORWARD!! OFFSIDE!!

I've been as vocal as anyone against referees but I've always said that it's not what we get penalised for, it's what other teams get away with that's the problem.

Last night I was in line with a blatant Hull forward pass, the touch judge who was also right in line saw it, started to raise his flag and then bottled it. It wasn't a line ball, or a flat pass, it was very clearly forward, and he'd quite clearly seen it. Now if that had been at Knowsley Road, and a touchie had deliberately turned a blind eye to a blatant forward pass against Saints I reckon the crowd would have burst the spineless little cretin's ear drums for what is effectively cheating.

The TJ will never raise his flag for a forward pass-ever

if harlequins get less penalties than most teams and are top of the fair play league (give away less penalties) maybe the refs in front of low crowds just let the game amble along with no fear of controversy

Sunday morning I caught the end of the re-run of the game on Sky, Phil Clarke and Stevo were brilliant, full of praise towards the club and their strategy of Local youth development. I think Phil's a secret Quins fan.................................

Not so much a Quins fan, more he's very pro on developing young British payers and then giving them a chance in the first team to help us get up to Ozzie standard. Quins are one team who are really doing it rather tahn just 'talking'.

I think PC will stay a Wigan fan, but I think we must be second



I have to say well done to Stevo as well, met him in the Kings bar after the game, and he was happy to talk, and he kept telling me to not give up and keep supporting the game, which I will of course, it was just nice hearing him say it.

The chant of Stevo stevo buy as a round in the griffin was classic......and he did (buy a few drinks)!

I didn't make the Kings bar last week

But I was in the Bar after the Leeds match last year and Stevo was there. Top bloke, but what surprised me was his drink, I was expecting him to have a pint, but no! it was Red wine.......................

He had white wine on saturday...

I got him to sign my Quins flag* (which by the way is a very good initiative from the club for sky games).



*Don't ask why I got him to sign the flags, I was a little bit drunk and got a little star struck, even though I have met him before at Waterloo station on the way to Twickenham.

I saw him after a Saints game one time having a beer with Eddie and some other bloke in the Bird I'th Hand at the top of Dunriding Lane.