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| Quote ="markrammond"Brian has been looking for a new job for at least the last six months'"
I had thought something was on the cards for sure when he stopped doing his programme notes. Hopefully the club has seen it coming for that same length of time and formulated a strategy moving forwards and get the best man for the job they can.
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| Quote ="Paddock Punter"I don't think Phil Jones is the actual coach of any of the junior teams but rhe development officer.
Personally sad to see Mac go - I thought he had bought into "project london" as I think of it. Yes it's hard work supporting a (mostly) losing team but to my mind we are one of the few clubs who have bought into the franchising system and I would rather support our club doing that than going for short term (not guaranteed) glory of trying to bend the rules or be reliant on the overseas player.
Yes it is a chicken and egg situation in that a winnng team will presumably attract more punters but IF we can stick around there is a good pool of talent being defeloped.
Things could be worse - look at Bradford Se Eagles and I find Hull KRs attempts to get players off quota so they can bring in more mercenaries pathetically laughable.'"
I pretty much agree with all of this. Very sad news indeed.
Cringing at those thinking this is "excellent" news. I hope BM goes onto achieve massive success with Leeds to show what a decent coach he is with sufficient resources to play with.
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| Just hope DH has the right idea as replacement. liked His comments on the Quins website.
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| Quote ="Dave Lister"I pretty much agree with all of this. Very sad news indeed.
Cringing at those thinking this is "excellent" news. I hope BM goes onto achieve massive success with Leeds to show what a decent coach he is with sufficient resources to play with.'"
You've changed your tune!!!
My principal emotion is relief. I've no axe to grind against the man personally, I've never met him, but I've never during his tenure been 100% convinced by him as a head coach. He lacked Tony Rea's shrewdness in the transfer market and tactical nous. He has failed to get the best out of any number of overseas players, although I'll concede on this point that he's also been unlucky with injuries.
I maintain that this is a year too late - he'd taken the team as far as he could last season, the slide towards the end of 2009 told much. I won't pretend to know the ins and outs but I sensed that he didn't have the full confidence the squad this year. What we have now is an opportunity for a fresh start - I'd personally like an overseas coach (Where did Wigan find Michael Maguire and could we get someone similar please!) and for the first time in four years some decent recruitment - grabbing Penny from Warrington would be a good start, as he looked hungry and dangerous.
Leeds coach in 12 months? they must be barmy.
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| I changed my tune after actually attending some of our games this season
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| Great news. We no longer have to watch the dross he serves up every week. He wont make it as a head coach at SL level.
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| Quote ="Paddock Punter"I
Yes it is a chicken and egg situation in that a winnng team will presumably attract more punters.'"
Not wishing to incurr the wrath of a bored moderator by turning yet another thread into a 'The Marketing World according to Gutterfax" but I challenge that presumption.
It would seem that he has done all he can at Quins RL and is to be thanked for his commitment to the cause. Regardless of his supposed failings as a coach, he genuinely believed in the future of London RL and should be proud of what he has tried to achieve in his time at the club.
Off to leeds to be groomed by bluey and then to take over at Leeds? God help him if that lot get on his back ....he'll be straight back down here
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| Quote ="Paddock Punter"Note presumably'"
er,,,,,,,I did.
Quote ="gutterfax"I challenge that presumption.'"
It is this same presumption that has been the backbone of every marketing activity run by the club over the last 15 years and that is why I challenge it.
On the coaching front, I would go for an internal promotion.......if, as Listy maintains the coach was not to blame for the performance of the team since summer 2009, then it makes no difference who DH chooses.......Rob Powell and Latham Tawhai as Joint Head coaches? If DH is set on his assertion that we will play Kids next year with little if any recruits brought in from outside, then increase both these guys salaries by 20% and save the remainder of Macs salary for another department to use
Young coaches with a young team of local talent....ticks a fair few RFL boxes and saves a few bob as well.......
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| Quote ="The Penguin"He lacked Tony Rea's shrewdness in the transfer market and tactical nous. He has failed to get the best out of any number of overseas players. I maintain that this is a year too late - he'd taken the team as far as he could last season, the slide towards the end of 2009 told much. Leeds coach in 12 months? they must be barmy.'"
Spot on all points.
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| I think Denis Betts could be a good appointment.
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| Quote ="ABP'"I think Denis Betts could be a good appointment.'"
This may be totally incorrect due to the mists of time, but I did think that DB was not a great fan of the London "experiment" in some of his interviews in the past?
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| Quote ="Homer"This may be totally incorrect due to the mists of time, but I did think that DB was not a great fan of the London "experiment" in some of his interviews in the past?'"
It's not something I've ever picked up on to be honest.
Either way, I'm sure those opinions would soon become less significant if the opportunity of being a head coach of a Super League club is up for grabs.
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| Quote ="Londo06"Hopefully the club has seen it coming for that same length of time and formulated a strategy moving forwards and get the best man for the job they can.'"
Memo to Homer:
Any chance of devising a flying pig smilie?
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| Quote ="The Chronicler of Chiswic"Memo to Homer:
Any chance of devising a flying pig smilie?'"
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| Not sure lack of enthusiasm in the past should rule him out, though inexperience might. Think we need a smarter operator - Cullen (if he has overcome his sad loss) who does have the added advantage of being very articulate, Kear (i dislike) but he has operated within tight budgets and has got results, or an Aussie coach who can bring some names with him.
think we have to thank Brian McD, not a complete success but some progress, but treat this as another opportunity to get some momentum in the club, which feels like its drifting..................
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| Quote ="The Chronicler of Chiswic"Memo to Homer:
Any chance of devising a flying pig smilie?'"
Good Morning!
This one migh prove useful as well...
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| you need an english coach with links to the game down there and is cheap only one option
phil jones
and a good experienced assistant like poaching
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| Quote ="Homer"Is Dave Rotheram still one of the RFL's national player development managers?'"
Yes he is. Saw him on the eve of the Magic Weekend at the A fixture between Scotland and France at
Currie RUFC. Funnily enough Keith Hogg was also there as Chairman of Scotland RL.
Hope we get Karl Harrison and thought that prior to Macs appointment. That said looking at his recent
quotes in League Express he seems happy enough at Batley and has business interests up there.
Mac wise I am sure he will do pretty well in his next role and hats off to him for taking up the challenge
in the first place down here in London.
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| Quote ="brian2"Not sure lack of enthusiasm in the past should rule him out, though inexperience might. Think we need a smarter operator - Cullen (if he has overcome his sad loss) who does have the added advantage of being very articulate, Kear (i dislike) but he has operated within tight budgets and has got results, or an Aussie coach who =#FF0000can bring some names with him.
think we have to thank Brian McD, not a complete success but some progress, but treat this as another opportunity to get some momentum in the club, which feels like its drifting..................'"
No No No
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Hope we get Karl Harrison and thought that prior to Macs appointment.'"
No, No, No, what major success has he had in Super League? also we need someone who has a media presence they would never understand Karl, we would be a flat cap sport!
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| Quote ="jaybs"No, No, No, what major success has he had in Super League? ......................!'"
1 Relegation from and 1 Promotion to SL with Salford.
Won what now masquerades as The Northern Rail Cup twice in all it's forms (with Salford and Batley), also beating Leigh in their back yard on the way to the final as well as coaching Batley to the quarter finals of this season's Challenge Cup.
Now I'll give you that that isn't "Major Success in Super League" as you questioned but in a little over 12 months he's turned Batley from Relegation fodder into Cup winners and currently has Batley in a 3 way fight for the Championship play offs on a pretty limited budget.
On top of all that he has been a No 2 under Nobby at Bulls and has worked with Senior Scholars at Giants.
With a record like that I say we'd be daft at least not to have him on the radar as a Head Coach replacement.
Worst thing that can happen is that Quins have a chat with him over the vacancy and he turns us down.
If he could acheive something similar on a limited SL budget at Quins he'd have us all enjoying it and I dare say you'd be kissing his !!!
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| Quote ="Homer"Would pretty much agree with all of that except to say that I see even less in terms of his good signings if you take on BJB being offered to us on loan, and Dorn resigning after not being offered a contract by.......err BM.'"
BMs recruitment was arguably as miserable as his personality. Lets take a trip down memory lane (and apologies for any lapses).
For the 2007 season, Tony Rea would likely still have been involved for bringing in the likes of Scott Hill, Danny Orr and Julien Rinaldi. Then there was the Yorkshire massive of Jon Grayshon, David Toothill, Joe Walsh, Andy Smith and Luke Burgess (on loan).
For 2008, a few contract extensions (Curtis Melling, Karl Temata, Chad Randall and Henry Paul) but not much in terms of new faces with just Danny Ward and Gareth Haggerty. Henry Fa'afili could have been good.
The boat was really pushed out for 2009 though, with BM building his team around Luke Williamson and Chad Robinson. Luke Dorn was resigned plus Mick Nanyn, Matt Gardner, Ben Kaye, Luke Gale and Jason Golden. BM was [url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_league/7871191.stmchuffed[/url and thought this was the most balanced squad the club had seen for quite some time.
2010 saw Ryan Esders brought in after a loan spell in 2009 plus Oliver Wilkes, Matt James, Andy Ellis, Ben Jones and Ben Jones-Bishop (on loan).
We've certainly lost some great players in that time (and BM has sent some not so good ones to the naughty step) but of the 20+ BM signings who do you think are the great ones ?
I'll venture Jason Golden was a good one and Andy Ellis may in time prove to be a great one.
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| Agree with you re Golden and Ellis. I also think Luke Gale's come on during his time with us and could turn out to be a quality acquisition - if there's a Quins to play for next year.
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| Quite a few missing signings...
2006 - Paul Noone (loan) and Anthony Stewart (loan)
2006 - Richard Villasanti (although Tony Rea might get the blame on this one)
2007 - David Howell
2007 - Stephen Bannister (played 7 games)
2007 - Sione Faumuina
2007 - Joe Mbu & Rikki Sheriffe
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2010 - Kevin Penny (loan)
2010 - Kyle Bibb (loan)
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