The people around me were saying the exact same.

Yer that would have been a magic try, but wouldn't have made up for his 79 minutes of invisibility.

(And yes before anybody pipes up, I realise it was a forwards match but I guess that further emphasises that Dorn is a cr*p flat track bully)

Did they have to shout to make themselves heard

I think although he was once again rather invisible he was not given much of an opportunity to assert himself. He is only really given the ball when we are close to the opposition try line and that didn't happen very often on saturday. The rest of the time it is quite clear that it is left to Orr and Randall to run the show. Which I think is a good tactic by Brian McDermott.

Kelvin
why does that make him a cheat? sorry but have to stick up for the ref here, why on earth would he cheat? Dont forget that they are wired up and talk to each other, TJ may have called "might have been fwd" or "it was fwd" its still down to the ref to decide if it was the rediculous momentum pass!!
Do you know what the TJ signal actually is for a fwd pass?

Still need to watch the game again for the other calls which seemed odd from the stand and they will probably balance out over the game
BUT cheat!!!! why would he?

the one call that annoyed me as a Hull fan was giving a knock on against us in the 2nd half. Manu offloaded backwards, yeamo then tried to pick it up but knocked it backwards yet a scrum was awarded??

I think it was that set that the 40/20 came from and soon as that was given i knew the game had gone

No that was the one that lead to Clubb's try. but it all worked out even in the end as you got a try when think it was Tickle knocked on in the tackle and ref gave you a penalty as he claimed howell had tried to steal the ball with two in the tackle, (think thats how they explained it on Sky

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This happens all the time and happened at least once to us on Saturday. As soon as someone fumbles the ball the ref's looking to give a knock on regarless of whether ir not it went forward. Ludicrous really considering the number of blatant forward passes that are allowed to go. I suppose if the ref can't be sure it went forward or not and it's obviously a fumble he's not going to give that team the benefit of the doubt.

I think both teams got some "dodgy" decisions.

Mr Silverwood got some stick from our end during the first half just after the first hull try.

What happened to Gafa, any news?

Yep sorry got confused!!

Like offiah said on the commentary though, the penalty could have gone to Hull as tickle was tackled without the ball. It was a shockingly telegraphed play but the ball hit Purdham's (?) arm as he had already made contact

Spotted eating a dodgy burger at HT

Pulled a Hamstring in training on Friday, he was in the Jesters Club before the game, and having gone into the Jesters club after being recomended it by others, I have to say it is great in there, £8 for a meal (£4 for kids is brilliant value), a good match build up with team sheet, drinks in glasses, and also entry at half time to beat all the queues for a drink

Well Done for this one Quins, I will be going back there next week if its on again.

I thought clubby had a great game for a guy as big as he is he can move around the pitch

The TJ saw the forward pass, it was a clear forward pass, not a line ball or a flat pass, it was obvious and that's why he saw it and reacted the way he did. He started to raise his arm to signal the ref just after the pass went forward, he was looking directly at the play, in line with it (just like I was) and he saw it go forward just like I did and all the others who were approximately in line with it. He started to raise his arm and then decided to pull it back abruptly, that he saw it I have no doubt about, he gave himself away on that one, but admittedly the ref may have made the decision to turn a blind eye.

Now, this brings me back to the issue of cheating, there is no discretion to turn a blind eye to a forward pass, it's not an optional law. If the TJ turned a bling eye he is cheating, if the ref knows the TJ saw it go forward and turns a blind eye he is cheating. I have some sympathy for TJ's where a ref's ego makes them over rule their TJs' even though they have the poorer view, and in this case the TJ had the clear view, being in line with the forward pass. The ref was 10 metres or so away, at an angle and obscured by defenders.

The genuinely odd calls are usually when the official(s) doesn't actually see something happen and just guess, which leads to an outcome that makes no sense.

Do TJs actually signal for forward passes ? I didn't think they did.

Yes. You can tell when they've called it as they stand still where it took place.

Or were you just being ironic? I've lived here far too long if you were.

OK the original poster seemed to think they should wave flag which I didn't think was right.

He didn't wave his flag, or unfurl it. He lifted his arm up (which was holding the flag) just after the clear forward pass, then he abruptly put it down.

But did he then stand still, as R*B* says he should if he's called a forward?

He was pretty much stood still when he started to raise his arm (he wasn't running to keep up with play, he was already in line with it, when he - and everyone else in line - saw the ball being passed forward. Now he didn't appear, to me, to complete that signal. But by starting to signal it he'd already acknowledged that he's seen it. The reason why it was so obviously a forward pass was because the progress of the player putting on the pass had already been stopped before he popped it forward to a player in front of him.

kelvin
Do you actually know what the TJ signal is for a fwd pass? Obviously not!

And it is actually an RFL edict that the TJ should NOT stop in field if he sees that type of an infringement but continue to follow the play down field.

If the Ref looks for an indication then he should give it, if not then he should continue to follow play, if a try is scored from that play then the TJ positions himself that indicates to the Ref he has seen an infringement.
The ref can still award the try even if the TJ indicates as such

Having watched the game again on TV last night, the penalty given on our try line for the apparent 2 on 1 steal, if you watch it think Tickle was actually tackled before he had the ball! the ball hit the back of the arm of the tackler, Tickle never got hold of it.
Have to say the ref made the right decision giving a penalty but the comm team had it for the wrong reason.
Tickle was tackled before he got the ball, not a steal

BUT!!! I dont care! we won, is that not all that matters

Hope we can back it up on Sat, shame am not going to be there.

As for the fwd pass, pah, again does it matter anymore?

According to the RFL's own published guidelines TJs' [url=http://www.therfl.co.uk/~therflc/clientdocs/Communication.pdfcan call a forward pass[/url, and they [url=http://www.therfl.co.uk/~therflc/clientdocs/Touch%20Judging%202007.ppt#309,24,Handcan signal for a forward pass[/url.

Now if the RFL aren't telling the truth and the TJ saw it, started to signal it, and then thought [i"oops I better pretend I haven't seen that because I'm not supposed to notice, so I'll put my arm back down and hope nobody notices that I noticed" [/ithen it's ridiculous, but not his fault. But the idea that he didn't see it doesn't make sense to me, if he didn't see it (and he'd have blind not to have), then why bother reacting to it (unless of course he did see it and forgot that he's not supposed to see it, which is even more stupid)?

He gave himself away with the way he acted, it was just fluke that he happened to be in line with me when he did it, usually I wouldn't have noticed, but once he did, then he couldn't undo it. There's very little point in arguing this further, I can't change what he did, anymore than I can pretend I didn't see him react to the clear forward pass.

I must have been sat near Kelvin. I didn't see what the TJ did but I did clearly see a forward pass. Just shows you Sky doesn't have all the angles! Even Stevo eventually came to the view it might have been forward.

At the top levels, where officials have comms, they just stand where it happened after telling the ref. Doesn't tend happen in SL or any rep aussie stuff with comms. Of course if the comms malfunction or there are no comms, then a signal may be used.

The ref can overrule the TJ. On doing video work, we hear the officials conversations. I've heard on may occasions a touchie calling "forward" or "4's offside". Only for a ref to say "It's fine. I'll take that one". When this happens the touchie catches up with play.

Maybe that's what happened in your game, and you're right in what you've said. And maybe your TJ was going to signal, but told the ref.