Ask yourself this: If the Stoop/Area and the Quins RL moniker is good for what was London RLFC, then why are crowds/atmosphere far worse than ever?

At best, match-day is more like a face painting nursery for kids than a passionate RL match

To be honest the open-ness of the Stoop does not help matchdays either. The East stand is too far away from the pitch. Not a problem for RU, but for RL a vociferous atmosphere is absolutely critical

It will always be a poor second fiddle to Quins RU

While I agree that the crowds are awful I'm not sure the data suggests average crowds are any worse than at Griffin Park or the second spell at The Valley.Other factors also need to be taken into account. There is certainly no evidence to suggest that another relocation will improve crowds.

On the Crowd debate the location has not made as much difference and there is possibly more related to the performance on the field in terms of impacting on the average crowds each year

Here are the average attendances for each season within Super league with location:

1996 5,418 Charlton 4th
1997 5,076 Stoop 2nd
1998 3,625 Stoop 7th
1999 2,935 Stoop 8th
2000 3,419 Charlton 11th
2001 3,177 Charlton 6th
2002 3,760 Griffin Park 8th
2003 3,546 Griffin Park 5th
2004 3,458 Griffin Park 10th
2005 4,038 Griffin Park 6th
2006 4,917 Stoop 7th
2007 3,395 Stoop 9th
2008 3,773 Stoop 9th
2009 3,436 Stoop 11th

If however you average out the crowd at each of the locations played at Charlton does produce a slightly higher average crowd of 4,004. Excluding that first year it is significantly lower then either Griffin Park or The Stoop though the achievements of 2000 and the marquee Coach are probably the reasons for that. Griffin Park had an average crowd of 3,700 and The Stoop over both terms there has so far produced an average of 3,880. If you break this down by the first time and in our current guise then the averages are 3,879 and 3,880 respectively. Though this years average attendances may pull that one down. Currently as Quins RL our attendances are no better or worse than when previously at The Stoop and are marginally better than at Griffin Park. The real difference is on the field and the rapid shift from being an Aussie team with little or no academy to a primarily British team with a strong academy set up.

A poster after my own heart.



What I would add is the 2006 attendance figure, regardles of what the record books say, was skewed by the ridiculous crowd reported for the "double header" of 12,301. Anyone who was there will tell you that there were more people in the 2 bars during the league game than were watching the match.

As I have been ticked off for repeating (again and again and again

) my belief that if the club don't do any marketing of note then we will continue to tread water on 3,500 or there abouts, I will simply add that regardless of what the new owner(s) think thay have bought, we will be looking down the same barrells of the same shotgun in 3 years time if they don't attract at least 1,750 to 2,500 to that average....and pretty sharpish too.

I was there and I wouldn't, but don't let facts ever get in the way of your interminable rants. 3,500 people in the bars, eh.



In fact, most of the Yawnionites were heading towards Twickers railway station as I approached the Stoop.

Swallowed a pedants pill have we?
2,878 is the average gate for Huddrsfield in London since 2000. (this figure is for 12 games and does not include the 2006 fixture)
2,780 is the average gate for games between 200 and 2005 (icon_cool.gif
3,075 is the average 2007-2010 (4)
If we are kind and report the crowd that day as 3,000 then the average for that season was 4,252 (14 games).....

The above figures are based on reported gates over the years and therefore factual.

Also, just so you know, The Kings bar holds 5,500 when opened fully (From Jesters to the far end) and the bar in the other stand holds 2,100.......so if the bars looked half full (which they did) then 3,500 supping ale would be about right

I get it BroncOnion.....you and others are tired of my interminable rants and if I am honest, so am I. But you dragged me back into this one and regardless of whether 1,250,000 or 3,000 people watched that game......an average gate of 3,600 since 1996 is what London RL has managed to attract....and that is why we are in financial stew AGAIN.

And if u are looking down the same barrells of the shotgun in 3 years.
Would it be fair to say enoughs enough,and at least drop down a league.
And give someone else a chance,Until you prove you are really ready to come back?

Who says we will be in superleague in three years time?

Why have you never posted on the widnes board?

Him BTW......not you

Quins are developing the future of the game down south with fantastic results. That's why Quins will remain. Over the previous 30 years there hasn't been the same amount of development. Now this is in place it's all about the long game.

Bearing in mind the 2006 figure is boosted by teh double header with a 12,000 figure and the first ever Quins game v Saints with a c.8,500 figure, the best average in the past decade was in the year we had the most exciting and entertaining team, i.e. 2005.

Good Call.

I've also thought some crowds in the last 2 years have been much lower than announced

The most revealing thing for me is the slide in crowds since moving away from Charlton the first time. Year one at the Stoop was an even better year but the crowds dropped (my guess is that they'd have been much lower with a lower finish). Also its clear that people alarmingly stopped watching RL at the Stoop in the first 3 years there. By the time they moved back to Charlton a lot of momentum was lost and it was too late. I'm guessing that if the club had stayed at Charlton in 1997, then the 2nd finish woud have yielded a far bigger average than the 5k at the Stoop. The facts are that the Stoop has never been attractive for potential RL fans. In essence it is worth paying more rent to get bigger crowds, have a bigger profile etc

I predict sub 2k attendances next year as the norm if the clubs stays as Quins RL at the Stoop

I sincerely doubt it.

I know it`s been said many times but I cannot help but remind people.........sharing with a football team does not work for Quins and never has. No sooner will the RL season have started than as the `tenant` we will have to play `on the road` games because the pitch needs re-seeding etc.......it destroys the season, the fan base and any new following that you are trying to capture.

The Stoop is a great facility and a big asset for our club regardless of the fact we are now paying rent. I travel from South London and many fans have to travel a whole lot further, but I would not want to move from the Stoop.....(DH funding issues aside) what has been lacking is success on the pitch and a good, sustained marketing campaign. I just wish the RU side of the club would take up the challenge on the latter, they turned it round for themselves (be it in an RU area) and clearly have the skills and systems to make a go of it......we would be better off paying for their services and structure rather than reinventing the wheel and trying to go it alone.

Success on the pitch was there in 1997 - Result 5k averages. And that was before RU's rise at club level

The club could come top and the averages will be poor at the Stoop. No locals are interested

Waste of time

By the way. Wigan RLFC are "tenants" to Wigan Athletic. How many games do they play "on-the-road"?

Find a decent soccer groundshare and fund a special pitch that doesn't need re-seed (like at Hudds, Hull)

Otherwise we'll be doomed as a no mark nothing with no identity

P.S. I'm going to tonights game (in a Broncos shirt). I was hoping there would be an announcement that the club would be on the move/name change. I'm guessing all it is is some announcement along the lines "the clubs is staying as is at the Stoop and is safe - for one more season....."

sub-2k crowds next year

Wigan are not tenants of Athletic. The DW stadium is owned by a separate company and the two clubs have individual long term leases with it.

Of course i post on my own board,i have 2 accounts.
I just think it stinks to high heavan down there what you lot are getting away with,and mark my words it will catch up to you.Only time baby only time.And i hate wire but i now hope they thump u big time,You lot of spongers make me sick.Ban me please as i wont be posting on here again.Im just gona sit back and watch u come apart as every 1 knows its gona happen.Ps negative is all you can say when any 1 says anything about your situation, lol What about the likes of whitehaven /rochdale/keighley when they run into trouble, punished.Your time will come.Im gona have a good laugh every time i read your attendance from now on,

Ill go along with that gutter.Best thing u have ever said on here bit of common sense You WONT!!!!!!! be.Im starting to like u

WRLFC. Get a perspective, if we don't have a London Club, we do unfortunately begin to look like a M62 Corridor Game, which really, really, isn't good. We need a club for Sky's Ad Revenue, because if Sky goes, Superleague and Rugby League is F*cked.

London needs to continue, they need to stay in the same place and rebuild, but part of that is getting better players and developing the players down there, and getting a top class coach. If you look at Huddersfield, we've developed our youth team, but we've balanced that with good australians and pacifics, and we've had the best results with a good coach, crowds have come with it, we're on the road to becoming a top club, with good, top-6 attendences. If quins were to do the same, through incentives and maybe the odd free game, there will be momentum gained by it.

Happy to be of service.

That's at least the 3rd time that you've said you won't be posting again on here. I expect to see a post from you again on here shortly, perhaps under a different name.

Born with it. Leads to a desire for accuracy.




This is hardly worth arguing about and there's no way to measure it. Some of the RU fans stayed for some of the time, some for none of it and some for all of it.

On the whole, I've seen a figure of 3500 used.


Yeah.



Not that I'm arguing with them.

Another immeasurable. {Rhetorical questions follow ... How far apart were the people? And why were you in there during the RL match? What's your source for the bar capacities? You have the Kings bar holding about 30% more than the stand above it. I suppose that's possible but none of them would be able to bend their elbows.


We AGREE



Perhaps we'd better park it there?

..thirsty




no we don't!

Well as it's not the end, may as well end here