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| Quote ="BigTime" using last week’s ‘official’ attendance figures as a guide -I’d say about 900.'"
Last week's official announcement was cobblers.....but to be clear, it won't be anywhere near the 5,000 target set by Hughes so I'm of the opinion that someone or something has to change at the club or we will cease to exist inside the next 5 years.
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| Did a rough headcount, reckon around same as last week, a good number of couger fans, so around 700 actually in the ground, over 100 in the lounge seats
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| Quote ="BigTime"First half they out enthused us and had a good kick and chase game. They are a really big side and maybe the didn’t have the legs for the second half. My memory must be failing me but Ioine looks about twice the size he used to be- he was a real handful and they had a couple of other decent players as well. IMHO they were better than some of the others down near the bottom but a salutary lesson in what happens when you pull the plug half way through the season. We were rubbish in the first half. No energy, loads of handling errors and we looked very lightweight compared to them. Agree with others that it must have been a stern half time team talk. Agreed that Bill Leyland did well and Whare and Norman have been real assets. Special mention for Macani. I’m not sure he has got the top speed that is required but he keeps going even when he gets a knock and did well in the second half. Keighley were well supported and quite a few in corporate - using last week’s ‘official’ attendance figures as a guide -I’d say about 900.'"
Some penalties for dissent were frustrating to see early doors, particualry the one that led to them scoring. Opposing teams are investing a lot in slowing the ruck down and we need to be a bit smarter/have a different option when that happens. Quite telling how tough we find it up front without Lewis as an option or Paul and Alex making those runs from out back.
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| Can't knock the ref for consistency, both teams pinged for back chat. Both teams penalised for offside at the scrum. Both teams caught offside on try line.
We should have been better than that, dumb play.
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| Quote ="Knocker_White"Some penalties for dissent were frustrating to see early doors, particualry the one that led to them scoring. Opposing teams are investing a lot in slowing the ruck down and we need to be a bit smarter/have a different option when that happens. Quite telling how tough we find it up front without Lewis as an option or Paul and Alex making those runs from out back.'"
Yes we gave that try away basically. Cant afford to do that against top teams.
We could do with adding some wingers to our squad. Boafo?
What did you make of O Leyland as player of the season Knocker? It wasn’t immediately obvious to me who would win it as Norman hasn’t played enough games but confess I was a bit surprised although I think Oli’s been decent. Horseman on the other hand seems to have slipped slightly out of the picture. Injuries seemed to have harmed his development. Wonder if he’ll be retained.
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| Quote ="northernbloke"Can't knock the ref for consistency, both teams pinged for back chat. Both teams penalised for offside at the scrum. Both teams caught offside on try line.
We should have been better than that, dumb play.'"
Yeah I wasn't criticising the ref necessarily, we need to be better in all those elements. The back-chat from our lot just struck me as unusual, not something we have been guilty of for most of the season. High emotions in a tight game maybe.
Also two weeks running now where I've seen an opposition player make an error at a tap restart and the referee has just got them to replay the ball. Not sure where in the rule book that one is, maybe someone can direct me to it.
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| Quote ="BigTime"Yes we gave that try away basically. Cant afford to do that against top teams.
We could do with adding some wingers to our squad. Boafo?
What did you make of O Leyland as player of the season Knocker? It wasn’t immediately obvious to me who would win it as Norman hasn’t played enough games but confess I was a bit surprised although I think Oli’s been decent. Horseman on the other hand seems to have slipped slightly out of the picture. Injuries seemed to have harmed his development. Wonder if he’ll be retained.'"
That's a good question BT. I must admit I was slightly surprised Oli got the shout over Alex, who I think has been fantastic this season and who got my vote. You could also make a very strong case for Ethan, who has been excellent since game one and super consistent. I'm not taking anything away from Oli however, as I think he has had a fantastic season, just maybe his performances have dipped a little towards the backend of the season, which is always a factor with younger players. No doubt he is one of our key pieces moving forward though.
I think it's easy to forget the amount of work Oli was having to get through prior to Corey signing. I said when we signed Henry that I thought he and Oli were too similar in their style of play and we lacked a controlling half with a decent long kicking game. I guess that was borne out with us bringing Corey in. Had Corey been part of the squad since game one, then I think we would probably be having a very different conversation.
Horsman was in the blue shirt running water yesterday and I think that probably tells you a lot about where he is at currently. Would I be surprised if he stayed on next season? Probably not, we are not exactly blessed with halfbacks coming through our system and it is such a difficult position to recruit for generally. Probably in his best interest and ours to offer a basic deal for next season, with the reassurance we have someone who can come in and do a job when required. The ideal thing for him would be a move to a club that would be able to build something around him and give him a season or two run of games.
I see us probably going down the overseas route for our 7 next season, whether that is Henry, Corey or someone else remains to be seen.
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| Here's the view from the Broncos Bar after Keighley's first try...
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| Quote ="The Curtism"Here's the view from the Broncos Bar after Keighley's first try...'"
Atmosphere was decent enough but what are the club going to do differently next season to attract a crowd ? I suspect nothing much.
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| Quote ="The Curtism"Here's the view from the Broncos Bar after Keighley's first try...'"
Loving that guy on his Todd in the far left stand. He’s not looking to make friends- fair play.
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| He's not on his own if you look more closely.
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| Quote ="The Curtism"Here's the view from the Broncos Bar after Keighley's first try...'"
That's absolutely awful. Fewer than 400 folk in that picture and a shocking reflection of how far the club have fallen and how little the owner(s) seem to care.
2 seasons at the Cherry Red and 2 Seasons where not every attendance was announced. You don't need to be a foil-hat-wearing conspiracy nut to know that this is 100% because Lobster and Hughes don't want anyone to know the true extent of their abject failure in their quest to establish the London Broncos as a true option for the London sports following population.
Mind you, they have cemented the clubs place as the premium Rugby League side in the Capital, but only by decimating the Skolars post covid.
As for what to do? Nothing can now be done. It really is too late and once Hughes becomes unable to attend through age or ill health, the club will spiral towards the trap door and then it'll be a choice of West Warriors, Skolars or Hoists for the remaining hundred or so fans who'll bother. No amount of Money invested in marketing would change this, but the least they could do is f&*(ing try and put a little bit of effort in, rather than flogging a buffet and ticket for £40 a pop to the few die hards they have left.
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| I must say it felt a few less than Bradford, who brought slightly more fans than Keighley did? Atmosphere was good but I'm sure we got bigger turnouts at Ealing in 2017/18. We sat with a chap from Bedford who had a two hour drive. It took my wife and I over two hours by rail. Looking at season ticket prices I imagine match tickets will be going up a bit to make the season ticket attractive. At current prices you break even at eleven games
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| Quote ="orangeman"That's absolutely awful. Fewer than 400 folk in that picture and a shocking reflection of how far the club have fallen and how little the owner(s) seem to care.
2 seasons at the Cherry Red and 2 Seasons where not every attendance was announced. You don't need to be a foil-hat-wearing conspiracy nut to know that this is 100% because Lobster and Hughes don't want anyone to know the true extent of their abject failure in their quest to establish the London Broncos as a true option for the London sports following population.
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Hughes took over sole control from Lenegan in Dec 2007. In the 2007 season, our crowds were small by SL standards but we averaged 3,400 at The Stoop. Lenegan had said that 5,000 was needed to be sustainable. That felt about right and seemed achievable given historic crowds at The Stoop and the tie in with Harlequins. Crowds held pretty firm until Hughes appointed the legend that is Gus Mackay. The man who was quoted as saying 'Success is not rocket science' set about his business (included severing the Quins relationship) and knocked 1,000 off the Stoop gate in 3 years.
This was followed by the desperate spell at The Hive where Hughes's new man Jason Loubser took over and the rot really set in. That move halved our average attendance in season 1 to 1,300 (with only a single SL win being recorded) and pretty much halved it again to just over 600 in season 2 as we adjusted to our new life in the Championship.
Another move to Trailfinders for 2016. This was seen by Hughes as the perfect venue allowing us to bring all aspects of the club including junior sides together in one place. Over the next 3 seasons, we saw some consolidation. We were a competitive Championship side, each time finishing 2nd in the regular season and making the Super 8's. Crowds were averaging around the 1,000 mark by 2018. Hughes's best appointment of Danny Ward (assisted by Jamie Langley) even got us back into SL for 2019 (with a team that was way more than the sum of its parts) and seeing the average blip back up to 1,900. Unfortunately back in the Championship, the last 2 seasons at Trailfinders were COVID disrupted and we emerged with an average of around 400.
It was time for another move, this time to Wimbledon and the Cherry Red Records stadium. Hughes hailed this switch as the best opportunity for long term survival targeting 5,000 fans in 3 years. You would have though he would want to get out of the blocks quickly to address this challenge but the preparation for the 2022 season was were where the genius of the management was displayed in all its glory. Having lost Danny Ward and replacing him with the untested Coleman (who sadly was never going to cut it) we assembled what was undoubtedly the worst squad in our history. Unsurprisingly this failed to make a good first impression. Fitness man Eccles came in and he along with a few better players saved us from relegation and possible demise. Not sure we learnt much from that ahead of 2023 as the initial squad again looked pretty weak. After a poor start we again brought in better players mid season (and importantly a coach in Lovegrove) with a distinct improvement leading to a play off spot.
So looking at that photo we see where we are. A few hundred fans in a 9,000 capacity stadium. Announcing the move to Cherry Red, Hughes said there will be occasions when it may appear to not be working. I guess we will see when the IMG grading is announced since that can be the only rational explanation for being at the Cherry Red. However, Hughes also said this is not a project for today it is a project for tomorrow. It seems like he is just playing a waiting game. But without fans there is no tomorrow whatever the administrators may decide.
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| Quote ="Hockley Bronco"Looking at season ticket prices I imagine match tickets will be going up a bit to make the season ticket attractive. At current prices you break even at eleven games'"
How many games will be away from Cherry Red ? I will not consider a season ticket without knowing that. I will likely continue to focus on going to the women's games catching first team and junior sides when it fits in with my plans.
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| Think it's been stated £20/25 depending if in advance or on the gate
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| Quote ="northernbloke"Think it's been stated £20/25 depending if in advance or on the gate'" No doubt discounts will become available.
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| £25 on the gate for a part time championship team? And this is growing attendances how?.
A full time SL team with a squad who will get into the playoffs I can see £25. Part time champ team is smoking kool aid...
Are they after a sub 500 gate next year?
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| I might be wrong, but for adults this season I think it is £17.50 in advance, £20 online on the day and is it £25 cash at the ticket office?
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| Quote ="jbuzza"Hughes took over sole control from Lenegan in Dec 2007. In the 2007 season, our crowds were small by SL standards but we averaged 3,400 at The Stoop. Lenegan had said that 5,000 was needed to be sustainable. That felt about right and seemed achievable given historic crowds at The Stoop and the tie in with Harlequins. Crowds held pretty firm until Hughes appointed the legend that is Gus Mackay. The man who was quoted as saying 'Success is not rocket science' set about his business (included severing the Quins relationship) and knocked 1,000 off the Stoop gate in 3 years.
This was followed by the desperate spell at The Hive where Hughes's new man Jason Loubser took over and the rot really set in. That move halved our average attendance in season 1 to 1,300 (with only a single SL win being recorded) and pretty much halved it again to just over 600 in season 2 as we adjusted to our new life in the Championship.
Another move to Trailfinders for 2016. This was seen by Hughes as the perfect venue allowing us to bring all aspects of the club including junior sides together in one place. Over the next 3 seasons, we saw some consolidation. We were a competitive Championship side, each time finishing 2nd in the regular season and making the Super 8's. Crowds were averaging around the 1,000 mark by 2018. Hughes's best appointment of Danny Ward (assisted by Jamie Langley) even got us back into SL for 2019 (with a team that was way more than the sum of its parts) and seeing the average blip back up to 1,900. Unfortunately back in the Championship, the last 2 seasons at Trailfinders were COVID disrupted and we emerged with an average of around 400.
It was time for another move, this time to Wimbledon and the Cherry Red Records stadium. Hughes hailed this switch as the best opportunity for long term survival targeting 5,000 fans in 3 years. You would have though he would want to get out of the blocks quickly to address this challenge but the preparation for the 2022 season was were where the genius of the management was displayed in all its glory. Having lost Danny Ward and replacing him with the untested Coleman (who sadly was never going to cut it) we assembled what was undoubtedly the worst squad in our history. Unsurprisingly this failed to make a good first impression. Fitness man Eccles came in and he along with a few better players saved us from relegation and possible demise. Not sure we learnt much from that ahead of 2023 as the initial squad again looked pretty weak. After a poor start we again brought in better players mid season (and importantly a coach in Lovegrove) with a distinct improvement leading to a play off spot.
So looking at that photo we see where we are. A few hundred fans in a 9,000 capacity stadium. Announcing the move to Cherry Red, Hughes said there will be occasions when it may appear to not be working. I guess we will see when the IMG grading is announced since that can be the only rational explanation for being at the Cherry Red. However, Hughes also said this is not a project for today it is a project for tomorrow. It seems like he is just playing a waiting game. But without fans there is no tomorrow whatever the administrators may decide.'"
You forgot to mention The T-shirt merchant who needed an alcohol lock on his PC given some of the rants it posted when toasted. Alienating the LSBA, banning people from the ground or the clubs social media (sic) and generally blaming everyone for the abject failure of the Wimbledon move. Also, Hughes implication that it was up to the fans to make it work when ho touted his 5,000 target.
As for it seeming like its not working, I can only assume his idea was to go scorched earth and rebuild from scratch, but that takes expertise and money, one of which is clearly lacking at the club whilst to other seems in very short supply until mid season.
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| Quote ="orangeman"You forgot to mention The T-shirt merchant who needed an alcohol lock on his PC given some of the rants it posted when toasted. Alienating the LSBA, banning people from the ground or the clubs social media (sic) and generally blaming everyone for the abject failure of the Wimbledon move. '"
At least that mistake was fairly quickly rectified. Loubser has been CEO for best part of 10 years and was the bean counter before that.
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| Yep this season early bird was 17.50 then up to 20 then 25 at the ticket office on the day so that bit has not changed
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| Quote '" Quote ="The Curtism"Here's the view from the Broncos Bar after Keighley's first try...'"
600 in that picture.I’m sad enough to count them.Plus another 125 in the Cappagh stand.Felt like the biggest crowd of the season until The Keighley fans moved in the second half.
I thought there were 700 against Swinton until I watched the highlights and realised I may have been out by a zero.
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| I’ve enjoyed this flurry of home games although I think if the home games were spread out across the season more evenly and particularly during the football closed season that would be smarter. These last few games the atmosphere, which really is key to spectators rather than gate receipts, has been good and left me thinking there were quite a few in the ground but the pictures don’t lie it’s been mid and high hundreds not four figures which is a bit of a shame. No easy answers here but a concerted effort to gain attention at the start of the season and a winning team on the pitch could get our average up to 1000+ (big deal I know but it is what it is). I do think they could do more in the local area Wimbledon as Tooting. I know only too well how much posters in bus stops and tube stations cost but that does feel the right type of thing to do even if returns aren’t immediate. I also agree with the approach of asking local shops to put posters up ( in the style of the travelling circus). It’s tinpot but has to be done. I do wonder though if our average gates have gone up since year. If all will recall the Widnes gate last year was a whopper and that may mean we struggled to meet the average of 2022 which when you think of the rubbish served up last year and how we have performed this is a bit sad. You really don’t get many chances to make a first impression and we really xxxxed it up last year. Did we poison the well? I guess in this final year of the three year we will see.
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