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| Quote ="nadera78"We'd be a lot closer to being self-sufficient if we were still averaging the 4,000+ we were when David Hughes took over the club. I wonder what happened to drive away so many people?
The club's employees really don't do the club (or Hughes' bank balance) any favours with their attitude to supporters.'"
I've spent the week on the phone and email to supporters answering their questions, tha king them for their support etc.
My attitude has, and always will be, that the club has a largely very positive and supportive fan base which I try and keep up to date with information and take on board their answers.
There are some of us at the club at the moment exhausted working on something that will see that fan base grow, significantly, which in turn starts to take some of the financial pressure off David.
I never have, and never will, deal with negativity. It drains you and is a waste of time. We will never be able to please some and if me giving a pie in the sky comment a tongue in cheek response is classed as offensive then its probably best i dont use this forum anymore to answer your questions and keep fans updated.
Thanks to those of you who have sent messages of support and those of you who know what is happening behind the scenes that are as excited as we are.
Those who have my number or email are welcome to keep in touch.
We will this week start with some announcements, the first one is already appearing to be a very popular new incentive with those who we have spoken to about it and something it appears many of you have wanted for a long time to give fans a real voice at the club.
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| Quote ="MonkeyLover"I've spent the week on the phone and email to supporters answering their questions, tha king them for their support etc.
My attitude has, and always will be, that the club has a largely very positive and supportive fan base which I try and keep up to date with information and take on board their answers.
There are some of us at the club at the moment exhausted working on something that will see that fan base grow, significantly, which in turn starts to take some of the financial pressure off David.
I never have, and never will, deal with negativity. It drains you and is a waste of time. We will never be able to please some and if me giving a pie in the sky comment a tongue in cheek response is classed as offensive then its probably best i dont use this forum anymore to answer your questions and keep fans updated.
Thanks to those of you who have sent messages of support and those of you who know what is happening behind the scenes that are as excited as we are.
Those who have my number or email are welcome to keep in touch.
We will this week start with some announcements, the first one is already appearing to be a very popular new incentive with those who we have spoken to about it and something it appears many of you have wanted for a long time to give fans a real voice at the club.'"
The problem is twofold:
You yourself have a bit of history on this board.
Secondly, the club has a terrible history of alienating fans - hence the loss of circa 3,000 fans over a 10 year period.
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| Quote ="Bostwick"I must say Monkey Boy, That you are doing a grand job ing of some of the very long term supporters of The London Broncos.
We have a very dedicated core of fans. Small but dedicated. Every so often the club appoints someone who comes along and manages to drive away a some of these.
One such fan and his wife, were so insulted by a previous officer of the club. That they swore never to return and they never did. All their quite considerable good work was lost.
For me London Broncos is what I did on Sundays. Sunday being my only day off as I normally work six days a week.
I and my family travel home and away at quite considerable cost. Four to eight hundred mile round trips to games do not come cheap.
However the Covid enforced lack of rugby, is forcing me to re evaluate my commitment to following the club. I am enjoying doing other things like, going to the beach. Not getting up at 6am to go to Yorkshire and doing my garden. I may not be alone in this.
I hope that you are not going to join the group of club employees, who have managed to drive down the clubs support from within. It is easily done.
Trailfinders might become a lonely place, on match days.'"
Wokes in RL whatever next. It’s good that ML posts on here. Get some humour
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| Quote ="nadera78"The problem is twofold:
You yourself have a bit of history on this board.
Secondly, the club has a terrible history of alienating fans - hence the loss of circa 3,000 fans over a 10 year period.'"
How many clubs in RL have grown a fan base in that time? Secondly how many teams fan base has grown post relegation?
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| Quote ="MonkeyLover"I've spent the week on the phone and email to supporters answering their questions, tha king them for their support etc.
My attitude has, and always will be, that the club has a largely very positive and supportive fan base which I try and keep up to date with information and take on board their answers.
There are some of us at the club at the moment exhausted working on something that will see that fan base grow, significantly, which in turn starts to take some of the financial pressure off David.
I never have, and never will, deal with negativity. It drains you and is a waste of time. We will never be able to please some and if me giving a pie in the sky comment a tongue in cheek response is classed as offensive then its probably best i dont use this forum anymore to answer your questions and keep fans updated.
Thanks to those of you who have sent messages of support and those of you who know what is happening behind the scenes that are as excited as we are.
Those who have my number or email are welcome to keep in touch.
We will this week start with some announcements, the first one is already appearing to be a very popular new incentive with those who we have spoken to about it and something it appears many of you have wanted for a long time to give fans a real voice at the club.'"
Very positive post. I’m excited to see the details of what you are about to announce.
Let’s ignore the sensitive posters. The downside of the Broncos with its smallish fan base is that some ticket holders think they are shareholders. Go to Warrington or Wigan and a ticket is just that, access to your seat. Want access to players for that game pay more. No matter what you pay you don’t have a voice.
In the old days before technology society’s losers sat in a back bedroom, eating fatty food with no voice. Sadly the internet came along.
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| I have to say that I am actually enjoying my rugby free weekends.
I think that that the only thing I miss from there being no rugby are my friends from the Broncos.
The club will have to work hard to get fans back.
I myself am thinking that if I do buy a season ticket it will be a bronze this time.
Bronze ticket holders do seem to be treated better and if I wake up on a Sunday and do not fancy it, it will hardly matter.
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| I dont think any season ticket holder is treated better than another one. We are all treated the same it may be our perspectives which are different. Someone asked why the fan base had gone down since DH came. I feel it was losing more games than we won for three seasons on the trot and only winning two games in one season. I seriously dont think there is a Bronco fan who minds the team being beaten but what we all mind is when there is no effort from the players, which happened back then. Unfortunately that is why a lot of fans walked. It is going to be a long long road back but I am hopeful the support will return when we return. Our fan base went up the season before our return to SL when players gave their all and more, fans got behind them. Getting beaten in SL they still had the fans support because each and every one of us knew they could do no more. Going forward if we have players with that attitude, fans who cheer and bring friends and spread the word and back room staff and sponsors who want to see results then we will succeed. Keep the faith
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| Sorry but I have to agree that bronze season ticket holders seemed to be treated better than others. My opinion and that is how I see it.
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| Quote ="itsmeagain"I dont think any season ticket holder is treated better than another one. We are all treated the same it may be our perspectives which are different. Someone asked why the fan base had gone down since DH came. I feel it was losing more games than we won for three seasons on the trot and only winning two games in one season. I seriously dont think there is a Bronco fan who minds the team being beaten but what we all mind is when there is no effort from the players, which happened back then. Unfortunately that is why a lot of fans walked. It is going to be a long long road back but I am hopeful the support will return when we return. Our fan base went up the season before our return to SL when players gave their all and more, fans got behind them. Getting beaten in SL they still had the fans support because each and every one of us knew they could do no more. Going forward if we have players with that attitude, fans who cheer and bring friends and spread the word and back room staff and sponsors who want to see results then we will succeed. Keep the faith'" You hit the nail on the head.
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| Quote ="Bostwick"Sorry but I have to agree that bronze season ticket holders seemed to be treated better than others. My opinion and that is how I see it.'"
I don't understand how this is the case. Can you elaborate.
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| I wish I’d never started this bit of fun post ! The club voice has been silenced, fans are at each other throats, me i’ll lay off in future
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| Mmmmm , fun...Yea I remember that...Its the thing a lot of us have watching London week in week out...But then ML who actually works at the club dares to decide to keep us in the loop with as much info as he can impart on here...takes his time to e mail us individually and be approachable . What does this lead to???...Him getting pelters for doing exactly what supporters have been demanding for years.....Certain people who seem to know better than him or the club pull him to bits over doing these things....Calm down people ...as in this thread title its meant to be fun...Not a clue what the big news is going to be but lets wait and give a considered opinion without snidey drivel being bandied around.. .
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| Quote ="PC Plum"I wish I’d never started this bit of fun post ! The club voice has been silenced, fans are at each other throats, love me i’ll lay off in future'"
Dont be like that Plumb, not your fault that the Broncos family is so dysfunctional at times.
Not bothered to check the figures but i find it hard to believe Exeter's turnover etc is the same as Wigan or Leeds. Maybe Salford or HKR it might be so but Exeter are still a League 2 club that narrowly missed promotion & in 2018/19 could only muster average crowds of under 5,000. Once a proud footballing city, it is now very much a rugby union city with the Chiefs averaging just over 12,000 crowds. City also lose a lot of their best young players to other clubs making it hard to progress.
But if you take Wigan say as the pinacle of RL, Broncos in reality are closer to them than Exeter will ever be to Liverpool for obvious reasons. Most football & rugby clubs have a sugar daddy of sorts at the top. You just hope your sugar daddy loves the club & just not on an ego trip. There is no doubting Sir Dave's love of the club its just the lack of communication, some of his decision making & appointments that left me with my head in my hands. Knew i could find a way to mention Gus. But its Dave's money so he can do what he likes with it.
But since our Monkey friend has been updating us, there has been some optimism that things may be heading in the right direction at last. Now back on track, ML says he was talking to Scholars Directors so possible merger? Not sure that would improve crowds much!
Time for bed said Zebedee.
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| We didn't lose 3,000 fans (3/4 of our fan base) simply because we lost more games than we won, although that clearly had some impact. And we certainly didn't lose them post-relegation, they were mostly long-gone before that.
The club has a long history of employing people who took pleasure in alienating fans - "turn up, buy a ticket, maybe a shirt if we get around to selling some, and then go away" has consistently been the attitude from club officials. People who went out of their way to try to help the club were ignored and/or disregarded. We all know of people who'd been following the club for years and years who finally decided they'd had enough of being treated badly and walked away.
If ML wants to chat to us and pass on bits of info, then that's great, but he's also got to show a modicum of professionalism. After a period of pretty abysmal trolling on here, he showed some signs of acknowledging that in recent months - which I said to him recently - but now he's reverted to Billy Big Bollards. He just comes across in exactly the same manner as all those previous club officials - from Paul Blanchard to Gus Mackay - who looked at fans as an inconvenience.
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| GUS was the biggest fan killer in Broncos history. Killed everything he touched even the supporters love of RL
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| Quote ="nadera78"We didn't lose 3,000 fans (3/4 of our fan base) simply because we lost more games than we won, although that clearly had some impact.'" There is certainly correlation if not causation.
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| Quote ="nadera78"We didn't lose 3,000 fans (3/4 of our fan base) simply because we lost more games than we won, although that clearly had some impact. And we certainly didn't lose them post-relegation, they were mostly long-gone before that.
The club has a long history of employing people who took pleasure in alienating fans - "turn up, buy a ticket, maybe a shirt if we get around to selling some, and then go away" has consistently been the attitude from club officials. People who went out of their way to try to help the club were ignored and/or disregarded. We all know of people who'd been following the club for years and years who finally decided they'd had enough of being treated badly and walked away.
If ML wants to chat to us and pass on bits of info, then that's great, but he's also got to show a modicum of professionalism. After a period of pretty abysmal trolling on here, he showed some signs of acknowledging that in recent months - which I said to him recently - but now he's reverted to Billy Big Bollards. He just comes across in exactly the same manner as all those previous club officials - from Paul Blanchard to Gus Mackay - who looked at fans as an inconvenience.'"
We have not had thousands of fans over the last 15 - 20 years, the large crowds were when we played the likes of Wigan, Leeds, Bradford, St Helens and Warrington. We lost support when we moved from the Stoop to Barnet because of the travel time if you lived south of the river, the final nail in the coffin was the losing streak we had at Barnet and getting relegated to the championship.
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| Quote ="wantawin"We have not had thousands of fans over the last 15 - 20 years, the large crowds were when we played the likes of Wigan, Leeds, Bradford, St Helens and Warrington. We lost support when we moved from the Stoop to Barnet because of the travel time if you lived south of the river, the final nail in the coffin was the losing streak we had at Barnet and getting relegated to the championship.'"
The decline started last time around at The Stoop. We averaged 4,000 in the last season at Griffin Park (2005) but by the time we left The Stoop (2013) we were down to 2,380 despite playing against similar teams. The Hive had the dubious honour of halving the average to 1,294 in that notably dismal SL season (2014) and halving it again, though more understandably, in the Championship (2015) to 634.
People in London have a lot of choice about how to spend their time and money. However exciting RL is as a sport, I think the minimum requirement to build a crowd is a competitive and hard working team.
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