Actually, anyone can make a forecast but those who take into account past experience are much more likely to get it right.

“Study the past if you would define the future.” - Confucius

No harm taking the past into consideration, just need to remember it can't be undone and you have to assess the future from where you are, not where you wish you were.

So gotnofax you saying you will not be happy with wins against Sheffield and Dewsbury?

Yep agree you should learn from your mistakes and errors unfortunately sometimes things happen that you cannot control.
Was Mac a mistake as a coach ? He does not seem to have done too bad since moving on, Rob Powell a gamble that didn't work. Moving from the stoop error or unavoidable.
Looking back is ok to a point but you have to look forward if not then it's pointless taking part at all

Other than recruitment and pre-season training which was disrupted in 2013/14 because of Hughes brain fart, what have we done this time around that is so much better?
If you compare the build up to 2015 with say 2013 all that is different is that we don't know how much match day tickets or season memberships are. Using facebook and twitter is communication 101 so please don't cite having lip service paid to us as an improvement, the shirt launch was done in a public park with tourists apparently the main onlookers, the owner is spouting the same positive guff as ever and all we do know is that the only time we will host a top tier team is if we get a home hammering in the challenge cup.

Nothing has changed.........except the division we play in

Another thread destroyed by guttertrash, im starting to believe you actually are a union troll.

The thread is about the stated aim if the club. I have simply pointed out that other than the division we play in, little has actually changed at all. Positivity for ita own sake or to try to cover up yet more uncertainty surrounding the club is as damaging if not more so than negativity.
I started a thread regarding the hive not being happy about the 2nd year of the 2 year deal and it being renegotiated. I was much maligned as being wrong, yet here we are 7 weeks from the start of the season and still no ticketing confirmation.

A union troll you say? I thought there was more to you, but obviously you now believe that negative discussion = anti-league.....what next, outrage at burgess not getting a look in at spoty

Well, the stated aim has to be what it is, doesn't it, can you imagine if someone said:

"Now we've been relegated to the second tier, our aim is to cut our losses, stay well within budget and do everything at a knock down bargain cheap as chips price and hope we don't get relegated to the third tier!"

I once asked mac where he thought we would finish. He said 1st.....and repeated it when I pressed him. We finished 11th.......but mist if those who attended the pre)season forum where I asked the question thought mac was the messiah.
Hughes can say he believes we will bounce back but Hughes employed a succession of failures, so forgive me for having the audacity to doubt hua judgement on anything other than the price of oil

Well I wish there was more to you than derailing every thread with rants about how much you hate Hughes and Gus. There are some positives about the new season, not least playing at a level we can compete at and having a full Pre-season to prepare. You don't need to correct me on my Positivity and bring me back to reality for the good of the club. That's a ridiculous position to hold. I can guarantee you I know more about UK RL than you so give it a rest.

Gotnofax I thought you were a marketing guru? What did you expect Mac to say to you? What message would you advise the club to put out at the start of the season. As for prices that's nothing to do with this thread but am pleased that the one person who Def is not gonna be buying.membership is so worried for us that are

See you ducked the Dewsbury Sheffield question

I wasn't having a go at you, so stop the paranoia!

But it's fairly obvious Hughes can't come out and state publicly anything other than what he has. Some positive signings, all done in good time and keeping the club full-time would suggest he's at least going to give it a chance, which is more than anyone else out there, with the required fincancial muscle is prepared to do!

Sorry Michael. I missed this in all the positive guff you normally type.

I would expect us to hammer both these teams, so the answer is no, I'd much rather wins against SL oppostion rather than processions against part-timers and amateurs.

The thought process that "at least we might see a win" now we are in the 2nd division is an odd one. I would much rather we were still in the top tier myself. As for Franchising/Licencing.......it didn't work because as usual with the RFL, they gave it 4 years before starting to plan for change.....I suspect if the million pound game is an utter hammmering for the championship contender, this new system will get even less time.

Please list the people on here who wouldn't want that to be the case? Given your constant posturing I expect it should be a lengthy list.

I answered a question put to me and gave a raison d'être as to why I gave my answer. I have no doubt that the vast majority of fans of the club would prefer us to be in SL, but it is not to them I am addressing my response. It is to Michael B 1234, who is most assuredly one of those who is delighted with his weekly emails and twitter alerts, a shirt launch in a public park and bluster from a failing owner and an untested coach.

This thread is about what David Hughes has said he believes will happen.

I would point out that pretty much everything he has claimed to have desired for the club hasn't happened....in fact, I'd go as far as to say that in most cases, the exact opposite has happened. He claimed "victory" at the last game of 2008 (could have been 2007) in his "dealings" with the RFL and that we would be given marketing assistance. He then ignored every suggestion made by the guy the RFL sent down......he claimed we had crap crowds because people though Harlequins RL was Harlequins Rugby Lessons......then bought as a new website, Londonbroncos RL.....

He looked at his 2 mill+ a year spend and decided that the 225k we were paying the stoop was the problem. The reality was that we were paying 750,000 in admin costs......excluding any marketing wages or spend.....so AFAIK that was Gus, his PA and a couple of other backroom staff. It didn't include any team costs.....THREE QUARTERS OF A MILLION POUNDS


So he has moved us to another new ground where we give the takings...all of them.....to the landlord and in return we now have some office space, gymnasium, training pitch and main stadium access. All costs associated with the team and the club are met by the SKY money (which will drop considerably next year) and from Hughes. We are spending to the cap, so Hughes is already 200k down before he's booked a coach, hotel, paid insurance, booked a flight, paid a non-playing salary, a coach, an academy player......and whilst negotiations around 2015's ticket prices have apparently been sorted, 2016 onwards is still under discussion.

So yep.....Hughes and Joey G will of course claim we will return to SL at the first time of asking and say all the right things. It doesn't mean I or anyone else has to accept it and it certainly doesn't mean I can't comment on it.

Oh dear God how many more times / years of this?!

Gotnofax, not sure if you have missed it, despite what you wish we are no longer in super league so we are not going to be playing them week in week out its happened live with it, it's sport it happens nothing can be done to change it this year.
The milk is spilt get the hint it can't be unspilt
So basically your answer is no you are not looking forward to seeing us win, that's fair enough as long as we know where you stand.

So another question you avoided where and how would you have done shirt launch, it's not the first time we have been to tower bridge for something like this.

Plenty

How very true Michael. Unfortunately, the Milk has been spilt a great many times and shall continue to be spilt again and again if the person holding the glass continues to do what they have done before......and I am sad to say that he is very set in his ways.


Aren't you the tricky one Michael......tied me up nicely there didn't you

What I actually said was I expect us to hammer these teams and have no feeling either way if we win or not, given that there is only one game for a championship side that counts in 2015 and it will not feature us.


I wouldn't have had it at Tower Bridge, that's for sure.
50 Minutes by car or over an hour by public transport from the Hive, absolutely 0 chance of attracting 1 fan to a game and held in front of puzzled tourists and the RL press. The "good reports" were from a handful of RL aficionados who happily watch RL at any level.....was there a DPS in Metro? Was the event covered by even the local paper? [urlhttp://www.edgware-today.co.uk/archive.cfm[/url...seems not.

We've been down this route before Michael.....new stadium, so no need to market to our neighbours as they'll already know we are here.......it's a David Hughes signature move. Do I need to draw you a diagram as to how that's worked for us in the past? Only ground where we ever leaflet dropped the neighbours was the only ground we left with MORE fans than when we arrived......
I'd have had it locally......at a school visit to present the school with 2k's worth of sports equipment....nothing like a bit of good news to get you noticed by the local rag.
We play at the Hive........why launch anything 14 miles away in a city that didn't care about us in SL.....????

Brave New Dawn Michael, Brave New Dawn

More Gustalgia from gutterlies.

So you intend to continue to destroy this forum with endless repetitive rants about the owner and former management of the club even when it's not directly relevant to the threads? Troll.

Great, and no problem with that. Pity you can't outline what replaces David Hughes. You might hate him but if he walked away tomorrow, will you be dancing on the club's grave, will you be funding the solution, or just spouting I told you so.

The solution is no longer available, because whilst you had a chance of flogging London v Wigan to the public, London v Whitehaven is of no interest to anyone other than the 700 or so that will show up......and in being generous with that figure.
When the rfl revert to one up/one down, Hughes will buy us back into sl, but i suspect with a core of maybe 400 hard core fans left, we will be straight back down........hughes leaving us now is preferable to the long slow death he is inflicting on the club.
I did tell you and everyone else so.......13 years ago and I was spot on. I take no pleasure in it, but I wont have it held against me either.

And the point about what do we do without Hughes? He's made sure that we are 100% reliant on him now......in 2008 we had something going for us.....attached to a popular brand and playing to 4k......isnt it great what 15 million buys you?

Without Hughes the club would learn to live within its means and be forced to generate its own revenue.......with him too many people are happy to take a wage with no consequence for failure......hows that panned out of late?

ahh well lets all pack up and go home then! sorted

Oh dear glumfox your are preaching to the faithful who hear what you say, but you know that group is getting less by the day and this forum should be left in peace. Let the hard core shuffle along to what is left of LB, few if anybody who can make a difference to the long term health of LB will no doubt not spend time on this site. Retire in peace.

Micky, the fact we are not in SL has relatively little to with "sport" and rather a lot to do with inept management.