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| Once all the away fans get recover from their slap up curries I'm sure we'll see Gus fall back as the wave of support for him grows
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| Lead article in this weeks "Running Rugby" which I'm sure gutterfax will love!
"CEOs – You Get What You Pay For"
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| Quote ="jaybs"Lead article in this weeks "Running Rugby" which I'm sure gutterfax will love!
"CEOs – You Get What You Pay For"
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| Trouble is it ain't peanuts!
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| Quote ="Paddock Punter"Trouble is it ain't peanuts!'"
club song?
[urlhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbeXL6AXmi0[/url
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| I think the poll is a little too simplistic.
There are an aray of factors for London's current plight and not one of those factors comes down to a single person or institution.
I'm sure we can all muse different reasons and different people have their own agenda's.
But any sporting business needs one of 2 things a large enough income stream, or a backer with deep pockets.
London's income stream has been reducing rather than growing, with fans falling away. Why do fans fall away, well people like a place to call home and the constant moving cannot have helped. I always find it hard to blame a financial backer as they are the ones who pour the money in the hole left between what the fans bring and the club needs.
But backers are also owners/runners and custodians of the club so they must carry some of the burden to move it forwards. Can the position be recovered???
In the short term it does not look likely, but longer term there is no reason why a London club cannot emerge into the top flight. 10 years ago, people would have laughed out of hand that Huddersfield a yo-yo club could top the league.
It may not be this London club as you know it today, but sport evolves over long periods. Big clubs like Wigan have flirted with relegation and financial ruin and that was before SL.
It's a step back, but not the end of the journey for London. Maybe a new home, or a return to the traditional name Fulham may boost attendances. Where ever the club settles, I hope it can plant roots that last for 10's of years not 1 or 2 before moving on.
It took the Saints club 10 years plus to convince their fan base to move 5 minutes to a new ground, people like to feel their club is part of their community.
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| Quote ="bewareshadows", or a return to the traditional name Fulham may boost attendances. '"
and there we have it......the northern solution to a problem like London.
I despair.....I really do
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| Why are you trying to blame Towelie off South Park for the Broncos being crap?
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| Quote ="gutterfax"and there we have it......the northern solution to a problem like London.
I despair.....I really do'"
I find your tone of Northern solution to be quite frankly bordering on the level of prejudice.
Not to mention your tactic of the gutter press to take a whole long statement, cut out 95% of it and then suggest that the one (not even a sentance) suddenly was the suggested solution.
You are not frustrated, you are more of a Troll than I thought.
The sentiment was about how London had been moved from pillar to post and this does not lead to fans being loyal. There is more than likely another move on the cards for London and who is to say where that may end up??
So I will say it again in full!!
It's a step back, but [size=200not[/size the end of the journey for London. [size=200Maybe[/size a [size=200new[/size home, [size=200or[/size a return to the traditional name Fulham may boost attendances. [size=200Where ever[/size the club settles, I hope it can [size=200plant roots that last for 10's of years [/sizenot 1 or 2 before moving on.
I made sure this time you could not miss the sentiment.
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| Quote ="bewareshadows"<snip>.'"
I could try to be clever.....but what's the point?
FUCK OFF YOU NORTHERN CUNT!
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| The Barnet (not in Barnet) Broncos.
Nice identity or Harrow Horses, Edgware Equines, Canons Park Colts, Nomadic Nags
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| Quote ="gutterfax"I could try to be clever.....but what's the point?
love OFF YOU NORTHERN friend!'"
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| Quote ="bewareshadows"I think the poll is a little too simplistic.
There are an aray of factors for London's current plight and not one of those factors comes down to a single person or institution.
I'm sure we can all muse different reasons and different people have their own agenda's.
But any sporting business needs one of 2 things a large enough income stream, or a backer with deep pockets.
London's income stream has been reducing rather than growing, with fans falling away. Why do fans fall away, well people like a place to call home and the constant moving cannot have helped. I always find it hard to blame a financial backer as they are the ones who pour the money in the hole left between what the fans bring and the club needs.
But backers are also owners/runners and custodians of the club so they must carry some of the burden to move it forwards. Can the position be recovered???
In the short term it does not look likely, but longer term there is no reason why a London club cannot emerge into the top flight. 10 years ago, people would have laughed out of hand that Huddersfield a yo-yo club could top the league.
It may not be this London club as you know it today, but sport evolves over long periods. Big clubs like Wigan have flirted with relegation and financial ruin and that was before SL.
It's a step back, but not the end of the journey for London. Maybe a new home, or a return to the traditional name Fulham may boost attendances. Where ever the club settles, I hope it can plant roots that last for 10's of years not 1 or 2 before moving on.
It took the Saints club 10 years plus to convince their fan base to move 5 minutes to a new ground, people like to feel their club is part of their community.'"
Some fair points.
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| Quote ="bewareshadows"I think the poll is a little too simplistic.
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Get working on the Venn diagram GF.
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| Quote ="Horatio Yed"The Barnet (not in Barnet) Broncos.
Nice identity or Harrow Horses, Edgware Equines, Canons Park Colts, Nomadic Nags'"
Or they follow my earlier suggestion, tie in with Lucasfilm and become the Edgware Ewoks
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| Harrow My Darlings?
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| Quote ="Cowgirl Nostalgist"Get working on the Venn diagram GF.'"
It was not a pop at the OP so much, but it's very difficult to pin success or failure on one person (as he seems to say himself).
The RFL are getting a fair % of votes, they do carry the can for some of the faults, but can they be blamed for moving the club about, for the signings made etc etc. Can the owner be at fault for previous owners mistakes?
If you could rip up SL and start all over again, I'm sure there would have been more planning laid down for London to make the transition, as it did seem (along with various other expansion clubs) to be a bit of a kick and hope. I also think it would not have hurt to give them a rivalry more local than PSG etc etc.
I can still see London making a come back, although I do wonder whether the name London lacks that connect with a set group of Londoners.
Would Barnet Broncos or Tottenham Broncos, even Twickenham Broncos have created more of a brand loyalty? That really is a question for the supporters though not me.
I just think if someone took Saints and called it Lancashire or Mersey Saints, does it loose something from not being specific to where it is.
Chelsea, Tottenham FC's have fans from outside the area, but that local connect to me makes a club more than just a corporate business.
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| Quote ="bewareshadows"
I can still see London making a come back, although I do wonder whether the name London lacks that connect with a set group of Londoners.
Would Barnet Broncos or Tottenham Broncos, even Twickenham Broncos have created more of a brand loyalty? That really is a question for the supporters though not me.
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Well we tried Harlequins for a while........
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| Who is to blame? Will playing a blame game fix anything? I think not.
Gutterfax, you have a multitude of solutions. I don't doubt your zeal. But the ability to consider other people's views and ideas isnt there and seems like a red rag to a bull judging by your rude responses ( all over the forum) which meander on and often slide into open abuse.
Bewareshadows thank you for your positve input.
London rely on support from a very large area beyond the City and Greater London.
If you check where fans travel from it gives a real insight into the untapped potential and marketability of the London Broncos.
In my humble opinion the future viability of Superleague depends on a successful well supported club in London.
I cannot see how London can field a strong side next year without, 1 a new structure running the club, 2, a lot of help from the RFL. 3 goodwill from other superleague clubs who could then end up below London. 4 We need players where will they come from?
If London Broncos were branded and marketed properly it would benefit the game as a whole just take a look at the talent emerging from the streets, Kieron Dixon, the youth team etc.
Licensed merchandising, media, sponsorship. Lots and lots of untapped potential to showcase the sport.
I have very little faith in the RFL Hierarchy, but perhaps Mr Wood could approach Dr Koukash about finding a backer for the Broncos in the south.
I do think the previous RFL chief who went to the LTA did a great job while here. Perhaps we could persuade former London Development Officer Rodger Draper back from the Tennis? Quite a drop in wages though!
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| The problem is most of us on here have been debating these issues for at least 10 years throughout various changes in stadia, names, owners, and we're quite close to losing the will to live now.....never mind think positively about the future.
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| Who is to blame? Will playing a blame game fix anything? I think not.
Gutterfax, you have a multitude of solutions. I don't doubt your zeal. But the ability to consider other people's views and ideas isnt there and seems like a red rag to a bull judging by your rude responses ( all over the forum) which meander on and often slide into open abuse.
Bewareshadows thank you for your positve input.
London rely on support from a very large area beyond the City and Greater London.
If you check where fans travel from it gives a real insight into the untapped potential and marketability of the London Broncos.
In my humble opinion the future viability of Superleague depends on a successful well supported club in London.
I cannot see how London can field a strong side next year without, 1 a new structure running the club, 2, a lot of help from the RFL. 3 goodwill from other superleague clubs who could then end up below London. 4 We need players where will they come from?
If London Broncos were branded and marketed properly it would benefit the game as a whole just take a look at the talent emerging from the streets, Kieron Dixon, the youth team etc.
Licensed merchandising, media, sponsorship. Lots and lots of untapped potential to showcase the sport.
I have very little faith in the RFL Hierarchy, but perhaps Mr Wood could approach Dr Koukash about finding a backer for the Broncos in the south.
I do think the previous RFL chief who went to the LTA did a great job while here. Perhaps we could persuade former London Development Officer Rodger Draper back from the Tennis? Quite a drop in wages though!
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| Quote ="eastman"Who is to blame? Perhaps we could persuade former London Development Officer Rodger Draper back from the Tennis? Quite a drop in wages though!'"
Having been around during his previous stint with the Crusaders, I don't think that he's the answer.
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| Quote ="eastman"Gutterfax, you have a multitude of solutions. I don't doubt your zeal. But the ability to consider other people's views and ideas isnt there and seems like a red rag to a bull judging by your rude responses ( all over the forum) which meander on and often slide into open abuse.
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sorry, but for over 10 years I have seen this coming and forgive me for being blunt, but the time for talk is over. The club is dead in the water and no amount of "what if's" or "wouldn't it be great if's" will make a blind bit of difference.
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