Err are you good at marketing crap then. You can invite anyone, it doesn't mean they'll turn up. On field does matter or do marketeers ignore that fact in planning. After all what are you trying to sell. People only buy crap for so long however you market it. Your alternative is to control the market and strangle the competition.

Copthall?

Horatio Yed in 'play in Barnet because I live there' posting shocker

Special offer for Charlton fans at the moment
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Some co-operation is obviously happening.

From what I heard yesterday, I will be very surprised if we are at The Stoop next year.

Apparently, Quins have offered us a deal for next year and so far, we have not taken up their offer. Thats from someone with QRU connections.

Other gossip around leads me to believe that too. I will be gutted to leave The Stoop but if it is down to cost, then I accept we will have to move on.

Can't think of anywhere I would rather see my team play though.

Its a bit of a trek for us guys on the east side DSWG but i agree the Stoop is a great stadium. Wherever we go is not going to be as good. But we dont want to be another Bradford and with DH retiring soon getting the running costs down is going to be important even if he going to try and get a new investor. If we cant make a profit/break even then we need to minimise our losses to a manageable level.

I have said all along the decision may be out of The Club's hands at the end of the day, we can't be nothing but a cash till for a union club with an open cheque book.

Agree Snoopy...will be sad to leave The Stoop, but then I don't write the cheques.

Finances got to be a priority.

I guess there is an outside chance that we may got to Quins with an offer from another ground and maybe Quins will come up with better terms. Would be surprised if Quins didn't want us there.

This time round the deal at Quins seems to have been quite reasonable. Are you trying to suggest they are ripping us off ?

People have suggested on here that this club has the potential to be the best club in the world and I can understand their point of view regarding that but on the other hand, there will always be people who aren't satisfied with London [insert pretty name here RL.

Wherever the club put their tent next, its not going to satisfy everyone. Come East and those from Surrey won't be happy at such a journey to a home game, go to far West and those from the East and Kent will have a trek on their hands. Its a double edged sword, really.

Do the club feel shafted by QRU? If they've raised rent prices then yes, there isn't much that can be done but if the rent prices have stayed the same or similar than surely the club must look at why they can't meet those figures anymore.

I'm not sure that they aren't offering us a decent deal but quite simply, if we can get a cheaper deal elsewhere than the CEO is obliged to consider it.

As Moe says, unfortunately, wherever we play is not going to suit everyone. I think the choice of ground will be 95% financial, bearing in mind the money DH has spent this year on players.

Everyone gets so emotional about this subject, at the end of the day it has to be what is best for the club & if there is a better offer we have to take it as long at the ground meets Super League standards.

You ask me if I am suggesting they are ripping us off, well I don't know I have not been in discussions & meetings, but Quins RU have done well out of us, they have had income they would not have received otherwise!

Now it is my turn to ask a question(which some will not agree with

) You state the deal from Quins RU is quite reasonable, if your privy then to this inside information, are you also privy to other offers of grounds on the table and charges, you seem to be well in the know?

jaybs- Our ex-CEO Paul Blanchard said publicly that he thought the Quins deal was very reasonable and if irc, he said it was circa £200,000.

However, that could have changed now and I would guess now we aren't called Harlequins, QRU owe us nothing. Furthermore, they may not need us quite as much as they did 7 years ago so they have all the aces in their hands.

Quins have been good to us in that we have had loads of things going on on their pitch which football clubs may not go along with.

I reckon a lot of people will realise how good The Stoop was when we are no longer there.

The figures I have heard are around £200K per season at the Stoop. However, I also thought we had one year to go on current deal but that for any extension we would want the option of a one year notice to leave. If that is the case I would expect Quins to look for a higher figure.

I don't know what other deals are on the table but I would be quite surprised if there are better options in London, paticularly ones that could be in place for next season.

jbuzza as I said it always gets emotional, just Hope we do what is right for the club, we must be getting close to our last play of the cards in London with Super League.

I reckon it'll be between Orient, Brentford and Gillingham.

Think that's got to be right, Moe.

I bet most on here would like a return to Brentford...the buckets of VB bring back very happy memories

Brentford would be my favourite. It would be less upheaval than the other two. Great memories and not much to choose between all three grounds. Gillingham would be too expensive travel-wise for me on a regular basis.

Move to Gillingham and call yourselves London Invicta. Bringing the old and the new together.

Did you, Gus, Imogen, Powell or Hughes think we were going to be crap in 2012? The Club decided to re-brand as the Broncos as a way of generating interest and attracting fans, new and old, to the game in the London region.
We had St Helens, Huddlesfield (sic) and Castleford as the first 3 visitors to the Stoop this year....3,091 was the average attendance......less than the 2011 average.
This points to a total and utter waste of time and money with the re-brand.....those first 3 home games, regardless of how the team was performing, should have seen gates of 6,000+.

Marketing crap is not easy.....it involves a lot of creative thinking, trial and error and buckets of enthusiasm.

Anyway, as I have said, the club can move every year and change its name......eventually, the penny will drop and they will employ a marketer who understands the game, the USP's it has and who will do more than update facebook and twitter.

Moving to Gillingham would be the end of a London SL club. Insane idea.

Gillingham, or MK or Oxford - although it's much more convenient for me to get to statement of the bleedin' obvious 'Gillingham ain't London!' Enjoyed the OTR game there and would be more than happy to go back there again, especially if it coincided with Medway Dragons 'weekend'. However if we're going to move it HAS to be inside the M25 .

It could the Allianz Arena (otherwise known as Barnet Copthall). Allianz has just agreed an £8m (yes, eight million) sponsorship with Saracens. And I can remember when their gates were half of what the London Crusaders got in the early '90s.

Rugby Union well connected - Rugby League paupers.
Who said the class struggle was over!

Funny thing is Saffercens market like crazy, & even win things, but they still can't draw a crowd.