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| Hmmm...positive statement about the club owning its own ground but realistically, even if the "land" was delivered to us for free, we would need to raise 30 million + to have a chance of building a ground. Not sure where Brentford are with Lionel road, but that ground (or the alternative towards Feltham) was going to be backed by a mix of private and council money......maybe there are stll discussions regarding that?
As someone else has said, Tesco have no problem bolting community projects on to mega-store plans to smooth the path of planning permission. I have always said the club need to be at a self sufficent stage of about 7,000 to 10,000 fans to be attractive to other investors...and to own our own ground we would need other investors without a doubt. Maybe this is the year that they actually do something about it with the campaign in METRO............
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| Quote ="poplar panther"................... How we will finance it, lord knows, but if Salford and Cas can do it why not us?'"
As examples of new stadium's Chesterfiled FC 10,300 capacity [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B2net_Stadiumstadium[/url cost around £13million to build. Whilst Colchester United FC 10,000 capacity [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colchester_Community_Stadiumstadium[/url Cost aroud £14 million to build.
Not sure that either figure included purchase of land to build on but both clubs owned their previous homes which I dare say gave them a bit of leverage during negotiations.
What did Halliwell Jones cost Warrington when it was buit in 2002/3???
I reckon by the time we ever got around to building a ground it would cost at least £1900 - 2000 per seat for a 10 - 15k capacity stadium.
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| A new stadium and proper home would be the best possible thing for RL in London. I can't believe anyone would suggest otherwise. Great news that this is an ambition.
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| Leyton Orient to move into the olympic stadium with West Ham freeing up Orients ground for RL in the east end of london.
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| Quote ="daftdad"Leyton Orient to move into the olympic stadium with West Ham freeing up Orients ground for RL in the east end of london.'"
No thanks.
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| Quote ="daftdad"Leyton Orient to move into the olympic stadium with West Ham freeing up Orients ground for RL in the east end of london.'"
Barry Hearn's angling for a cash payment from the premier league or west ham.
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| Quote ="Dave Lister":2t9q5iziI think that is harsh tbh. I stand by my comments. We should work with what we have and work with Harlequins RU to make a sustainable home for ourselves. Saracens managed, so did Sale, so did Leeds Carnegie etc. Why can't we?
This doesn't take 5 or 10 years, it takes more than that. Stating that after 5 years at the ground that Rugby League will never work in West London/Twickenham is ridiculous. It won't work anywhere in London within that time period. Moving again would be utter madness, unless we were absolutely forced into doing so by our landlord.'" :2t9q5izi
Bit harsh ? sorry petal
David Hughes, for all his brilliant support has to understand (as I do too) that just because he (I) love (s) this game, doesn't mean that a big investor will too. 15 years of top flight RL in london and still the same 3,500 average...no growth but plenty of negatives...hardly the basis for throwing 10,000,000+ at a venture is it?
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| I can dream can not
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| The partner has to be a local council, not another sports club. Which is why Brentford didnt work, and Harlequins cant work long term. They ultimately can't resist charging us masses of rent as its no benefit to another sports club if we bring people into the local area or get local kids playing sport and off the streets, or raise the profile of an area. We need a 50 year rent free lease with a council owned ground which would be mutually beneficial. Or a ground of our own (which is unlikely without big investment).
Im sure we pay a huge part of our income on ground rent at The Stoop and that's no good.
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| Quote ="Tre Cool"The partner has to be a local council, not another sports club. Which is why Brentford didnt work, and Harlequins cant work long term. They ultimately can't resist charging us masses of rent as its no benefit to another sports club if we bring people into the local area or get local kids playing sport and off the streets, or raise the profile of an area. We need a 50 year rent free lease with a council owned ground which would be mutually beneficial. Or a ground of our own (which is unlikely without big investment).
Im sure we pay a huge part of our income on ground rent at The Stoop and that's no good.'"
Get a council ' facility ' and you'll still be no better off , unless YOU own and or control the stadium it will always be a drain on your income
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| Quote ="Starbug"Get a council ' facility ' and you'll still be no better off , unless YOU own and or control the stadium it will always be a drain on your income'"
Not if the council see you as an asset to the area and give you favourable terms over a long period. MK would do that, we need to find an area of London that would if that's too far.
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| Quote ="Tre Cool"Not if the council see you as an asset to the area and give you favourable terms over a long period. MK would do that, we need to find an area of London that would if that's too far.'"
as the bug will no doubt tell you..Leigh get nothing from any of the money spent on food and booze at their stadium......the council sell the franchises to the highest bidder......
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| Quote ="gutterfax"It's all pi55 and wind until we average more than 5k anyway. To be treated as an equal, you need cash...cash comes from investors, sponsors and fans.......we have no sponsor, 1 investor who got jittery at the end of last year and very few fans.
I have suggested before (once or twice0 that to get investors and sponsors you need fans first...something I get barracked for repeating on here
David Hughes, for all his brilliant support has to understand (as I do too) that just because he (I) love (s) this game, doesn't mean that a big investor will too. 15 years of top flight RL in london and still the same 3,500 average...no growth but plenty of negatives...hardly the basis for throwing 10,000,000+ at a venture is it?'"
So you'll be agreeing with me then when I argue about the RFL being happy to provide funding for Championship clubs to try to entice a ' sugar daddy ' when what you need foremost is more fans , then the corporate support will follow that , not the other way round
Some businessman comes for a day/night out at the RL and sees a stadium 90 percent empty , it isn't going to encourage him to invest if the locals aren't bothered , then why should he ?
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| Quote ="gutterfax"as the bug will no doubt tell you..Leigh get nothing from any of the money spent on food and booze at their stadium......the council sell the franchises to the highest bidder......'"
The principle behind modern stadia is that rather than a 20/25 day a year usage , they need 365 days a year usage, that's why Warrington don't have a supporters bar , just after the HJ was built I visited it and the management at the club , I was given a personal tour of the ground and asked many questions , at the time what was the rear of the now ' Martin Dawes ' stand was being developed , I asked if that was to be a club bar , the reply was no , not much point with two pubs directly outside the ground , a health centre that pays them rent 52 weeks a year was the reply
As GF has alluded to we get sod all from the LSV , we have lost over a hundred grandsworth of sales a year , plus tens of thousands worth of stadium advertising , even if the stadium had been able to pul in some ' naming rights ' it would just get swallowed up by the excessive costs due to public sector management
It makes me
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| Quote ="Starbug"The principle behind modern stadia is that rather than a 20/25 day a year usage , they need 365 days a year usage, that's why Warrington don't have a supporters bar , just after the HJ was built I visited it and the management at the club , I was given a personal tour of the ground and asked many questions , at the time what was the rear of the now ' Martin Dawes ' stand was being developed , I asked if that was to be a club bar , the reply was no , not much point with two pubs directly outside the ground , a health centre that pays them rent 52 weeks a year was the reply
As GF has alluded to we get sod all from the LSV , we have lost over a hundred grandsworth of sales a year , plus tens of thousands worth of stadium advertising , even if the stadium had been able to pul in some ' naming rights ' it would just get swallowed up by the excessive costs due to public sector management
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It needs to be the right deal, and it sounds like the Leigh directors didnt act like hard nosed businessmen.
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| Quote ="Tre Cool"It needs to be the right deal, and it sounds like the Leigh directors didnt act like hard nosed businessmen.'"
Already been discussed , if you don't know the circumstances you don't have a clue
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Quote ="daftdad"Leyton Orient to move into the olympic stadium with West Ham freeing up Orients ground for RL in the east end of london.'"
Leyton Orient no longer own the ground, it is owned by a separate company that their Chairman is heavily involved in. If the O's do move on I'd suggest it is unlikely the ground will survive as the terms of the sale seem to mean the money would be split between the company and The O's which would probably suit both of them. With flats all but built into the stadium planning permission for further residential development would seem likely.
www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog ... sbane-road
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Quote ="daftdad"Leyton Orient to move into the olympic stadium with West Ham freeing up Orients ground for RL in the east end of london.'"
Leyton Orient no longer own the ground, it is owned by a separate company that their Chairman is heavily involved in. If the O's do move on I'd suggest it is unlikely the ground will survive as the terms of the sale seem to mean the money would be split between the company and The O's which would probably suit both of them. With flats all but built into the stadium planning permission for further residential development would seem likely.
www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog ... sbane-road
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