Or maybe quins fans just don't like jedward!

There were about 20 on one bus and the usual 20/30 northern exiles, so about 50.

The same old argument time and time again-boring

Well I am not arguing but you get 3,000 at home and 50 fans away for a club that under many different names is now 30 years old. Face facts. It isn't working fellas.

It clearly isn't but don't tell our benefactors at sky who no doubt have already noticed that one of the so called expansionist teams have headed back to the heartlands because if they find out it will almost certainly mean that the sport will regress to what it was, a semi professional sport served exclusively up to a small minority of flat capped Muppets along the M62 corridor rarely to be seen on TV again. My apologies to our friends in the south of France who incidentally wear flat caps too

Ive stood in Wilderspool on many occasions with only 3000 other people there after 100 years-enjoy your luck of having Moran on board-without him the council would have seen you down the drain with the debts and derelict stadium

Define Working please.
If you mean home fans, I agree, not working.
Away fans, I disagree (you clock up 5,000+ miles and twice as many pounds following your team each season before you are qualified to speak on that one. Not relevant anyway as points aren't awarded for away fans.
Development ...sorry, but that is working with 2 cockney England Internationals and 5 cockneys on the park last Sunday.
Growth of the game.....Working. Rugby League is growing at a rapid rate down here....Londons Newest Club, the Phantoms have just started training near West Ham.
Stadium......one of the best places to watch Rugby of either code (not my words, but those of visiting fans) Working
Finances? Tough one this. Branson left us in the lurch and we almost paid the ultimate price in 2005, but we have Mr Hughes who is currently willing to bail us out, so we tick that box.....just!

Every time I answer one of these sweeping "it's not working posts" it would seem that the only argument against London RL would be our fans.......for which, we lose 2 licence points....unless I am missing something....

Anyway, how many Young, current England intrnationals do wire currently have...especially ones that are a product of your own regional system or academy? over 100 years and no current internationals? Have to say, it's not working fella

So home fans you agree it's not working? Good.
Away fans. I travel to every away game Warrington play in and have also visited america and australia to watch them play. If your fans were truly intersted,the milage wouldn't matter,so that's that point put to bed. I wouldn't dream of missing a wires away game,if they were playing on the moon I would get there. The same can't be said for your fans......sorry.(So I am actually "qualified" to speak on that one!).
Ground. Yes a nice ground but lacks atmosphere. We had over 11,500 on sunday with only a handful of away support. Could you match that when we play at your place in september? I doubt it.
Finances. Okay like us you have someone who is putting his own cash in and will bail you out when the going gets tough. That's fine we are equal there then!
Youth and academy setup. Warrington's is one of the finest in the country and John Bastian and Peter Farrell do a sterling job,persuading many young players to join warrington despite interest from saints,leeds,wigan,etc. For full internationals,if you look at the number of full internationals we have produced over the last 20 years it's considerably more than your club has produced,so indeed this time it's you that is "not qualified" to comment on that one! Finally,if your club is doing as well as you claim across the board,why can't you attract larger crowds? One reason maybe is that you have always played in a union stronghold(london)where league is viewed as the enemy. In the north league and union exist side by side with no animosity from one code to the other. We no longer wear flat caps and are certainly not muppets as we have the willpower,ability and desire to respect a rival code of rugby in our area and realise that people have freedom of choice and may wish to support union as well as or instead of league. When I drank in the wetherspoons pub in Twickenham once and chatted with the locals I realised the feeling wasn't mutual. They were all football or union fans who loathed league with a passion. Tell someone in that pub you have played or are about to play harlequins and they talk union to you! Most of them don't even know the league side exists! Sorry if this makes unpleasant reading but it's very true in my opinion.

Oh dear....you missed the last bit...away fans don't count on the licence application. Oh, 5,000+ miles with 9 games away confirmed on Friday nights...so days off work as well as all the other logistical nightmares like trains all apparently being solar powered north of Watford.....ie...they stop running when the sun goes down


The point you were referring to was the ground, not the atmosphere or crowd numbers....please pay attention. As for finance, we are both in trouble if the sugar daddies get bored or burnt.


CURRENT......means recent...you know, last 2 or 3 seasons. With 100+ years of history I would expect you to have loads of England international players...but a bit thin on the ground at the moment wouldn't you agree?




...and as I said, it ALWAYS comes down to fans......

Feel free to reply, but unless you are going to disprove my point, which you basically just endorsed with your first reply, I wouldn't bother.

Good luck for the rest of the season...I am sure this will be THE year

I'm not going to get involved in an argument on here so will leave you with your obviously very baised opinion. Yes,this could well be THE year for us. But if you took an interest in RL other than your own club then you will know that last year was THE year for us too! We are the current challenge cup holders remember? We could well finish as super league champions too........that's a realistic goal for Warrington and therefore I am "qualified" to make such a statement. If I were you however I would now be extremely grateful that there is no relegation this season. If there was your club would be a candidate to take the big drop for sure. Good luck for the rest of the season. Boy,are you going to need it!

Just for the record,would you care to disprove the points made in this particular section of my post?

Your points are ridiculous and so far wide of the mark that they do not warrant a reply. I grew up in the South and played Rugby Union. I didn't come across a single person who "loathed" League. In fact, most really enjoyed it; my mates would always watch the games on the TV, and when training, we would often play modified League rules. When playing for Maidstone, there would be people strolling around the clubhouse wearing RL shirts. One of my mates who played at quite a high level for Kent RU played League in the summer. Some of Maidstone's players turned out for Kent Ravens (who are sadly no more).

There is a huge amount of animosity towards RU on these forums - e.g. only 1 thread in RU is allowed because a large proportion of the people on this site, based in the North, can't stand it. I know of RL fans on here who hate the sports too, for historical reasons and for the fact that it is awful.

I think you've disproved a couple of points yourself. Firstly you say Londoners "loathe rugby league with a passion", then you say most of them don't even know the team exists which suggests complete indifference, not passion.

Obviously the immediate area of Greater London in which Quins play is a union stroghold, but London isn't "a rugby union town" it's a football town. Maybe you were unlucky to encounter a few idiots in the Westherspoon's? I've drunk in there plenty of times myself; they've often had RL games live on the television in there, and union fans often ask about our team and how we did. The general feeling I get from union fans is of a passing interest without being keen enough to get hooked, which pretty much mirrors my own feelings towards union.

The only hostility I recall on a matchday came in a pub in Putney when a moronic Fulham FC fan made some snide remarks as a couple of us walked past him in quins shirts, but i suspect he'd mistaken us for union fans in any case.

I'm not arguing with a couple of geezers darn sarf.

You say I don't warrant a reply but go on to give one? Face facts. Professional rugby league in london never has worked in the past,isn't working now and is highly unlikely to work in the future. The stoop should be packed to the rafters every home game to watch quins play the likes of leeds,saints,warrington,wigan..........but it isn't. So one of two things is happening. Either your marketing team is absolutely abysmal and should be sacked on the spot or(and this is much more likely)the people of london just are not interested. They have been brought up on rugby union and football and just as union would never be the main sport in warrington,league will never be the main sport in the london area.

Thank you for quoting me incorrectly. I did not say "londoners"(as in the whole of london) loathe league with a passion,I was making reference to the twickenham locals. Football and union fans who expressed a deep rooted dislike of RL,to myself,in person. Others as I have said earlier when told we were there for the harlequins V warrington match asked questions about quins RU. So they had no idea quins had a RL team,and were quite surprised when told that quins have a league side at the stoop too.

playing the sport to act as an incentive, why will they bother in the future?

It's not an issue to me and never will be. I would like to see you do well,but doubt it will happen. A couple on here dismissed my comments as wide of the mark but you partially agree with me,so is it you and I that are reading the situation wrongly or is it others who are choosing to ignore something that is basically whacking them in the face?

success in some measure, but at least a competitve spirit on the field to make those who are trying the water, want to come back for more.

And at the moment on point 3 we are failing miserably.

Any strategy to get people to come that first time has been tried and some need to be forgotten and others tried again, but whether it's "named" dancers or singers, Irish, Aussies, football supporters, tube travellers, Union supporters et al, we need to understand that if they don't know and love the game they will not come to love it unless they see the best there is on the field week in week out, and the ever decreasing circle is that without more bums on seats, paying more into the club to enable that outcome, we struggle to progress.

Still say though does that mean we should just give up?

Sack the marketing department? We've only just got one!



Crowds seem to be the only arguement that you keep on returning to.....(see my other posts). Apart from attendances we scored points for our licence and are in SL on merit.

Yes, we may well finish last this year, the first time that will of happened in the SL era and yes, we are thankful that there is no relegation, but you miss the point. We fielded 5 Cockneys against you....that's 5 guys who were knee high to a grasshopper when SL started. 5 guys who have made a decision to play the game rather than Union or soccer. Do you think that those 5 guys, or LMS sitting in the RFL naughty Chair would be playing League if Quins/London Pro RL didn't exist? The project that is london RL is working.....just no quickly enough for your liking.

And there lies the rub! We went down the journeyman aussie route and got blasted for that....now we have a more british squad than anyone else in the comp and because we aren't immediately competitive, we get blasted for that........I suspect we could win the double, the WCC and everything else with a team all born in Mile End Hospital and SOME POSTERS would still find fault with us

Your own words:
[i"Finally,if your club is doing as well as you claim across the board,why can't you attract larger crowds? One reason maybe is that you have always played in a union stronghold(london)where league is viewed as the enemy."[/i

So we're "loathed with a passion" only in Twickenham, but merely "viewed as the enemy" London-wide? I wouldn't have said there was a world of difference there. Either way I don't believe it's true. Lack of interest and publicity, or more pertinently the range of alternatives on offer, is the main problem but I've never felt anyone either in London as a whole or specifically just Twickenham was actively wishing us to fail.

Re: 'travelling' fans...


It will be very interesting to see if the black and white side of K-upon-H get a bigger away folowing this term .

A quick look at the league fixture list should give you an idea of the dates when you should screw your shed doors shut and bring your push bikes in the house . Weld the gates shut on your driveway for the weekend , and grease the drainpipes on your house (especially if you got real slate , or lead on your roof )



You still here Pete ?

just face it mate warrington are bigger better side and that fact. that nothing to do with you i know just had to get it out.you are lucky to even be in super league and i think there is better clubs in lower league rugby what would do a hell alot better than you. again no offence it's just fact kk. i for one think you would struggle to renew your licence because of mostly your poor home attendance

Could you remind us what the Quins v Wire score was at the Stoop last year.

If it wasnt for Moran Warrington would have gone bust-They still owe the council now.

Someone call National Geographic. We seem to have discovered an entirely new language

lol does look like it now read it back