Or perhaps Jaybs is merely emphasising that even some of the most successful (on field) clubs can find it difficult to pull big enough crowds to make ends meet?

I'm sure once Saints are settled in their new stadium they will go from strength to strength as it will dobtless be more family friendly for the 21st Century and will have modern corporate facilities etc., and I look forward to visiting with Quins.

So am I mate I hope your club recovers from the difficulties you are having at the moment,good luck.

Does anyone know what is happening regarding a potential name change or ground change?

I don't see the point in staying at the Stoop if at least one of these isn't in effect. No point throwing more money at a failed project (as I predicted after the unpopular move away from Griffin Park and the daft name change).

I was hoping that the club would move elsewhere and re-brand as London RLFC (as on the original badge)

I haven't bought a season ticket or any merchandise since the move away from Griffin Park, and that is my stance until a fresh (re)-start is taken

Have you been to a game?

Yes - nowadays it is just to see a SL game. In the pre-Stoop/Quins days it involved proper support for London. I've been to less than half this season. I rarely missed a game as London RLFC

I was against the move to the Stoop/Quins moniker and still am. I know many others who are the same

What about when we were London RLFC at the Stoop-was that OK?

Is it the name, is it the ground or is it you

I am afraid I just don't understand why.

For me it is both, as I'm pretty sure that Quins RU will put the rents up at some stage and this will be more likely unfortunately with a name change only to London RLFC. The Stoop just does not feel like London, and has never been able to get locals in (i.e. bread and butter fans from within a radoius of 2 miles). Most fans propping the club up now do not live local

I do not like the Stoop, as it has always comparatively had lower crowds than other stadia (compare Charlton and the Stoop after the 4th and 2nd finish respectively; compare the Stoop and then Charlton/Griffin Park). We only got 3k against Hull the week after getting to Wembley.

One thing that does annoy me is that anyone who is anti-Stoop gets shoted down on what is supposed to be a forum

Fact is that it just doesn't get the fans in

If you don't like the Stoop that's fair enough but as an actual Stadium it's great. Yes it is in the heart of RU land but it's going to take time to pull in the new punters. As things stand all Quins RL is known as is a team that's on the brink season after season. Hopefully the positive announcement on Friday will confirm a secure status. Then the club can develop a winning team. A winning team will draw a crowd to a rather nice stadium.

Im not shouting you down- I like the Stoop more than I did Griffin Park and Charlton

If you don't like the Stoop - what other rugby grounds (not converted football grounds) are there with the same facilities?
My view is that we continue with the Stoop and when (hopefully) the team is more successful and bigger crowds are turning up - we will be able to accomodate them without the need to uproot again

I could accept worse facilities for a better atmosphere. Griffin Park had a far better atmosphere despite the club contriving to limit that with their "only two stands" policy

The first season as Quins RL at the Stoop was successful on the pitch but failed to bring the fans in (less than at Brentford). Since then its been downhill

I would argue that the club could come top and still not get many more than a 5k average. Any potential rugby fans in TW postcode area have now been mopped up by Quins RU. No chance of being a big club at the Stoop. I think many peoples perception is that it is a failing club, worsening by the gradual clsing off of stands

I refer back to the awful crowd the week after getting to Wembley in 1999, or the Gateshead sub 2k crowd

Yes but the awful crowds would indicate that most people don't like the Stoop for whatever reason.

Charlton was too big and would be impossible to build-up a crowd nowadays. The club had a chance their in 1996 and blew it by relocating to the Stoop, thus helping Quins RU develop the ground into what you see today

If only Branson had bought a ground for the club............

My personal preference would be a compact ground like Griffin Park or Leyton Orient

A bit of Market Research wouldn't go a miss with Quins.

a) Do people like being associated with the Quins name and playing at The Stoop ?

Me personally indifferent, when i think Quins i instantly think RU, but what is a viable option, i don't see one.
The stadium is great and is an actual rugby stadium, has ok-ish transport links and a decent enough road structure around it.

All the usual suspects are banded about but then how much would that change attendances and kill off the apathy around the club ?

QPR, football stadium in Shepards Bush, not the best stadium, great links on public Transport and would the Southern Hemisphere really be as interested as people seem to think ?

Griffin Park is a another dump of a stadium, a backward step going back there and lets be honest yet another football stadium.

Maybe a joint venture with a no home Saracens to build a stadium would be a good shout but instead of keeping the Quins name or rebranding to Saracens just revert back to Broncos. A nice purpose built stadium in the north of London with about 10k capacity, possibly get Barnet Football club involved too (they are having troubles with the council about redevelopment of their current stadium) to split the cost 3 ways.

Saracens have loftier ambitions than that. I would be interested in relocating if we were sorted out behind the scenes and were in a solid financial state. I would travel to a new-build stadium, regardless of location. A stadium of our own is probably not even in our 5 year plan unless we get Abramovich'd.

It will also not happen because Saracens would rather lose big money every time they play at Wembley or redevelop Vicarage Road, their home ground with Watford.

There are only two professional rugby clubs who play in London and they both play at the Stoop. Great facilities and a good atmosphere. Fans will not be found locally, but unless we move to Milton Keynes or Oxford most fans will have to travel an hour on the train or in traffic. That is no burden for anyone in our capital as I and countless hundreds of thousands have done that in London to get to work, go to the football, or go out on the town

The prob with a market research NOW is that most fans who did not like the Stoop and the Quins moniker have left. Therefore you'd probably end up with a result that was in favour of staying put with the same name. It should have been done a month before the forced move to the Stoop after Brentford - A move which involved no fans. Perhaps the club wanted to get rid of all the oldschool fans and build afresh at the Stoop but it has failed

By the way - I don't think sharing with an RU club is a forward step. I'd much rather share with soccer

Why's that?

Just having a look back on this site, having left when London became Quins and hearing its not going that well these days. What a surprise the Quins RL not a success !!
Hope your on the move again soon with a name change back to London !!!! Have the franchise thought about trying to get something on the Olympic park, should be plenty of stadia up for grabs there from 2013 season.

Why do people keep thinking that there are a plethora of grounds in the centre of London that would be willing to have us?????

I'm equally frustrated people think there is something fundamentally wrong with the Twickenham Stoop as a home.

The Stoop is fine. The location is the problem. The people of Twickenham are apathetic at best, hostile at worst. The uptake is not the issue, it is the fact that pretty much every sports club in this country draws it's support from the local area and the surroundings. You can say for other clubs the majority of fans live within a 10 mile radius of the ground. The issue with London is that travelling 10 miles may take as long as a 75 mile journey in other areas.

I also am not a fan of closing the Lexus Stand. The atmosphere was much better and doing as Sky told us sent out the wrong message. We should have told them "We appreciate where you are coming from, we'll find the fans to fill the seats." Moving our core fans into those seats in the East stand was where we started going wrong.

The first season as Quins RL at the Stoop was not successful on the pitch at all! Struggling around the bottom, Tony Rea getting sacked and Brian Mac finally saving our SL status.

I think they meant first time around in the mid 90s.

Yep, I know what you mean, although we weren't Quins RL then!