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| Quote ="Dave Lister"People talk about the poor coaching of McDermott and Powell, but I think Howell is a prime example of where the skills and talents of a player have been coached out of him. Powell was one of the best centres in SL not so long ago - at one point, it was rumoured Wigan were in for him. I don't think he is finished in the long term - but under Powell and in this current side, perhaps so.'"
You're having a laugh. When he came to us it was with a reputation for being an average player who had better games from time to time, no NRL club considered him worth a proper contract. Yes he had a few decent games in his first season, but he's been consistently mediocre over much of his contract. The Goons might have looked at him (and passed on him) three seasons ago when they were trying to rebuild, but that doesn't mean much. When he signed his extention we must have been the best offer he had, which given the dearth of quality centres in the British game says it all.
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| Quote ="mickyb1234"why oh why would any player want to bite another!!! It is always a a strange one!'"
I've never played, but if a member of the opposition tried to modify my teeth with his forearm, then I might be tempted.
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| Just to clarify, Howells RFL record is as follows.....perhaps it is just the number of times he has been cited that gives the impression his record is poor.
ON/716/11 -David Howell-Harlequins -Catalan v Harlequins- 30/07/11 - wait and see
ON/289/10-David Howell-Harlequins-Hull FC v Harlequins-01/05/10 - No charge
ON/160/10-David Howell-Harlequins-Bradford v Harlequins-26/03/10 – No charge
ON/75/10-David Howell-Harlequins-Hull FC v Harlequins-26/02/10 – No charge
ON/10/10-David Howell-Harlequins-Harlequins v Wakefield-30/01/10 – No charge
ON/472/09-David Howell-Harlequins-Wigan v Harlequins-03/07/09 – Red card, 3 match ban + fine
ON/231/09-David Howell-Harlequins-Harlequins v Hull KR-19/04/09 – No charge
ON/162/09-David Howell-Harlequins-Harlequins v Hull FC-28/03/09 – No charge
ON/82/09-David Howell-Harlequins-Salford v Harlequins-07/03/09 – No charge
ON/457/08-David Howell-Harlequins-Catalans v Harlequins-12/07/08 – 1 match ban + fine
ON/463/08-David Howell-Harlequins-Catalans v Harlequins-12/07/08 – No charge
ON/257/08-David Howell-Harlequins-Wakefield V Harlequins-26/04/08 – No charge
ON/179/08-David Howell-Harlequins-Warrington V Harlequins-29/03/08 – Yellow card, sin-bin, no charge
ON/87/08-David Howell-Harlequins-Harlequins v Wakefield-23/02/08 – No charge
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| Is this an opportunity to realease him and free up a quota spot?
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| 6 match ban and £300 pound fine for Howell
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| Quote ="BroncOnIon"I've never played, but if a member of the opposition tried to modify my teeth with his forearm, then I might be tempted.'"
No question of that, I've just watched the highlights from Sky again (god knows why), he clearly bites Marginet with about 28 seconds on the clock
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| Quote ="north east quin"Is this an opportunity to realease him and free up a quota spot?'"
It wouldn't be a valid reason to terminate a contract.
Anyway it is a reason to stick by one of our players and not convict them before the evidence is heard. This is only a charge, nothing has been decided yet. It could be like the other 11 times mentioned above.
If people can't remember David Howell some of the good performances he has put in then that says more about supporters memories than Howell's abilities as a player.
I imagine he has played all if not most of this season injured. It's not his fault we've got a weak squad with barely any strength in depth.
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| Quote ="PTB"It wouldn't be a valid reason to terminate a contract.
Anyway it is a reason to stick by one of our players and not convict them before the evidence is heard. This is only a charge, nothing has been decided yet. It could be like the other 11 times mentioned above.
If people can't remember David Howell some of the good performances he has put in then that says more about supporters memories than Howell's abilities as a player.
I imagine he has played all if not most of this season injured. It's not his fault we've got a weak squad with barely any strength in depth.'"
Sorry but a 6 match ban , i think it has been decided .28 seconds left of the game surely Dave could of waited for the post match meal !
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| Quote ="PTB"It wouldn't be a valid reason to terminate a contract.'"
Not so sure, I suspect a lawyer could construct a pretty strong argument for Gross Misconduct and / or Bringing the employer into disrepute. Not necessarily saying he should go, I've not seen the incident so can't really comment, but if the club wanted him out over this it may well be possible now.
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| Well... guilty.
[url=http://www.sportinglife.com/rugbyleague/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=rleague/11/08/02/RUGBYL_Disciplinary.html&BID=4806 game ban, £300 fine[/url.
Quote ="Paddock Punter"If the Wilkes one is for catching the kicker it is a joke. He was a milli second late and both Childs (for once) and the TJ ignored it despite the whistling that went up from Les Treizistes.'"
Les Treizistes 1 v 0 Paddock Punter
1 game ban, £300 fine. You saw it. Worth appealing?
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Quote ="highwaymana31"No question of that, I've just watched the highlights from Sky again (god knows why), he clearly bites Marginet with about 28 seconds on the clock'"
At the risk of being accused of trying to defend the indefensible, what I saw was Howell tackled and held down with his mouth open shouting and Marginet then swinging his forearm into Howell's mouth. Howell may well have then reacted but I'd say he was well provoked. I've also seen plenty of earlier cases of alleged biting where the evidence has been no clearer than that and the accused has been cleared.
It will be interesting to read the disciplinary committee's detailed conclusion when they get round to posting it (and hoping they've learned how to spell Marginet's name). Watch this space: www.therfl.co.uk/disciplinary/item?3043
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At the risk of being accused of trying to defend the indefensible, what I saw was Howell tackled and held down with his mouth open shouting and Marginet then swinging his forearm into Howell's mouth. Howell may well have then reacted but I'd say he was well provoked. I've also seen plenty of earlier cases of alleged biting where the evidence has been no clearer than that and the accused has been cleared.
It will be interesting to read the disciplinary committee's detailed conclusion when they get round to posting it (and hoping they've learned how to spell Marginet's name). Watch this space: www.therfl.co.uk/disciplinary/item?3043
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| Quote ="PTB"Well... guilty.
[url=http://www.sportinglife.com/rugbyleague/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=rleague/11/08/02/RUGBYL_Disciplinary.html&BID=4806 game ban, £300 fine[/url.
Les Treizistes 1 v 0 Paddock Punter
1 game ban, £300 fine. You saw it. Worth appealing?'"
Disciplinary panel today and (if any appeals) tomorrow:
Tues 2nd Aug R Grant I Butt N Turley
Weds 3rd Aug (A) J Spencer J Wells G Hallas
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| Quote ="markrammond"I would use this as an excuse to sack him, not much loss as he's only played 51 games in 3 seasons and played awfully for 2 seasons, give one of the Crusaders boys a contract instead!'"
Well, you've signed Mark Bryant from us, that's for sure.
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| Quote ="irish quin"Sorry but a 6 match ban , i think it has been decided .28 seconds left of the game surely Dave could of waited for the post match meal !'"
Complete lack of professionalism, and 'couldnt care less' approach. Bin him off now.
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| still confused why anyone would bite!! Crazy crazy, sorry dave but you deserve the ban
Someone smacked me in the face with foream when i played! No I didnt bite him, just laughed in his face and took the penalty
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| Mickey thats 'cause you are in the RAF and soft- you should have smacked the Fu**er back.
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| He must of been starving
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| Howelllllllllll, maybe he is a vampire?
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| Quote ="poplar panther"Howelllllllllll, maybe he is a vampire?'"
Or a werewolf. They howell.
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| Quote ="Rooster Booster"Or a werewolf. They howell.'"
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Disciplinary committee's reasoning now posted.
www.therfl.co.uk/disciplinary/item?3043
I was under the impression that, for biting to be proved, evidence of bite marks had to be shown. There is no mention of any such evidence.
And there's this www.therfl.co.uk/disciplinary/item?3042
The panel seems to be following their tradition of handing out bans to Quins players for incidents v. Catalans. Maybe when we have a new name they won't realise that it's the same club?
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Disciplinary committee's reasoning now posted.
www.therfl.co.uk/disciplinary/item?3043
I was under the impression that, for biting to be proved, evidence of bite marks had to be shown. There is no mention of any such evidence.
And there's this www.therfl.co.uk/disciplinary/item?3042
The panel seems to be following their tradition of handing out bans to Quins players for incidents v. Catalans. Maybe when we have a new name they won't realise that it's the same club?
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| What if a player says he has done it - isnt that another form of proof of evidence.
or evidence on film of him clearly biting
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| I'm giving up on this one. 6 games without Howell on this season's form will do us no harm at all. And if he has been playing injured, the long rest should have him really up for it early next year.
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| Quote ="BroncOnIon"I'm giving up on this one. 6 games without Howell on this season's form will do us no harm at all. And if he has been playing injured, the long rest should have him really up for it early next year.'"
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