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| So...Widnes will replace.......?
None of the others come close.....so it's now about who they replace.
Unlike Paddlock punter , I do not believe we are nailed on.......we need to show a willing to get our house in order and to do that....a business plan with a defined MARKETING budget needs to be put in place.
Sorry...I know I go on about it, but it really is beyond a joke at this point. Either try to attract fans that will in turn support the club or just give up now. To all those who say it's hard to sell a losing team...I say look further than your noses and the last 3 years.......the club have never had a clue how to market themselves......regardless of the results.
I bet you that there are 14,500 people in west london who would appreciate decent sport at a decent cost.....the club have no idea how to find them (neither do I by the way, but I'd f()cking try!)
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| From a legal point of view the announcement seems to prejudge the issue. Surely if all the existing clubs meet the criteria only a Championship club with a better points score could be justified. I think we all know that one of Cas, Salford, Quins, Crus or Wakey may not make the cut. But I think a lawyer could make mischief at this announcement.
IF DH pulls out - we are out - no mistake, so those of you who think we are nailed on..........
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| It's a farce by the RFL that they will probably throw Wakefield out out of SL . What do The Broncos / Quins bring to SL?, your attendance at home is very poor, your away support is pathetic to say the least, your stadium is nice but the atmosphere is terrible .
I came to your stadium a couple of years ago and couldn't believe how poor your attendance and atmosphere was , speaking to people over that weekend not that many were really bothered about Quins RL and we were told that a lot of local rugby teams get free tickets to the games but don't even bother turning up.
How can your club financially support itself ?, the rumours of the RFL financially backing you and paying your coaches salary must be true ,no way can your gate pay for the running of your club, the RFL just don't want one of their wonderful expansion ideas to fail..
How can your club really justify a place in SL when traditional teams are been mugged by the RFL , i also thing P & R should be brought back .
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| I have been to many northern RL clubs atmosphere is bad, what were Hull's attendances like at one time, what about Gateshead should they have ever been allowed to sell out like they did??
It will be sad to lose any current team but that is what the RFL seem to say will happen if a championship team meets the criteria. Widnes suffered the drop and I admire the Chairman who remained Dignified! unlike many of the whiners whenever this comes up and the weekly press always becomes a Big Joke! The reason being too many home RL supporters can't see past their own noses and are not interested in the game itself.
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| Quote ="Dave Lister"Also hoping for Castleford, purely because of morrissey's knee-jerk.'"
Fair play, Dave!
As it happens, I would love to see your team play to a packed house and make genuine strides forward.
I love rugby league and am under no illusion that a top side in the capital/south would be brilliant for the sport.
However, I have to admit to being a little miffed at the prospect of a town that has lived and breathed the sport for around a century faces an uncertain future - possibly at the mercy of other more recent clubs with only a marginal support base.
I'm not wanting to start a north/south argument - outside of your SL team, wonders are clearly being worked on the youth development etc. I just get the impression that, as far as SL is concerned, a team that plays in London need do nothing other than that.
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| Quote ="red chilli"How can your club financially support itself ?, the rumours of the RFL financially backing you and paying your coaches salary must be true ,no way can your gate pay for the running of your club, the RFL just don't want one of their wonderful expansion ideas to fail.'"
I doubt the RFL could afford to support us financially. Fortunately,for now, David Hughes does. However, as another poster points out if DH cannot find another backer this may not be a situation that is sustainable for too much longer. If that were to happen I don't see how we could operate at all never mind justify a licence.
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| Let's face it the RFL will bend over backwards to keep the three expansion clubs in Superleague, you've only got to look at how Crusaders were accommodated last winter when it all went pear shaped for them at Bridgend. I can only see us missing out if we have no one prepared to back us financially
After the way they've repeatedly messed us around with fixtures Crusaders would be the club I'd miss the least, although if they can establish themselves and thrive at Wrexham good luck to them.
Rightly or wrongly whichever of Salford, Castleford and Wakefield has made the least progress towards moving into a new ground would appear the most vulnerable.
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| Quote ="Prince of Denmark"Let's face it the RFL will bend over backwards to keep the three expansion clubs in Superleague, you've only got to look at how Crusaders were accommodated last winter when it all went pear shaped for them at Bridgend. I can only see us missing out if we have no one prepared to back us financially
After the way they've repeatedly messed us around with fixtures Crusaders would be the club I'd miss the least, although if they can establish themselves and thrive at Wrexham good luck to them.
Rightly or wrongly whichever of Salford, Castleford and Wakefield has made the least progress towards moving into a new ground would appear the most vulnerable.'"
Salford almost fall into the expansion club section as the RFL wants a presence in and around Manchester.
Cas seem to be playing the PR game of we are trying to get Wakey involved, but they don't wanna know.
Wakey are in an IVA, have had problems with the tax people recently, have recruited no-one past 2011, the coach wanted to leave the country, I could go on. Regardless of Wakey saying they can build a stadium in 46 weeks, I think the decision may have already been made for a team in Yorkshire to be replaced one historically part of Lancashire.
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| Should my team Leigh Centurions re-locate to Ipswich ????
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| Quote ="red chilli"It's a farce by the RFL that they will probably throw Wakefield out out of SL . What do The Broncos / Quins bring to SL? ................. .'"
Sorry forgot "Rugby League is a local sport for local people". Are you League Express "Ranter at the Naysayers" Phil Hodgson in disguise??
Quote ="red chilli"How can your club financially support itself ?, '"
The same as many SL clubs. An owner with deep pockets............. Q. How much is KR's overdraft at the bank??
Quote ="red Chilli"..............the rumours of the RFL financially backing you and paying your coaches salary must be true ,no way can your gate pay for the running of your club, the RFL just don't want one of their wonderful expansion ideas to fail..'"
Another "M62 only members should play Rugby League" porky peddled in the northern pubs, clubs and League Express to justify the myopic "rugby league is a local sport for local people" mantra that is entrenched in the North.
Quote ="red chilli"How can your club really justify a place in SL when traditional teams are been mugged by the RFL..............'"
What utter nonsense......................
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| Quote ="Londo06"..............Wakey are in an IVA, .............'"
Not strictly true. The Wakefield chairman is in IVA whilst he fights a legal challenge to some land deal that went south and left him with "cash flow" issues.
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| Quote ="Budgiezilla"Should my team Leigh Centurions re-locate to Ipswich ????
answers on a postcard............'"
No but they still need to meet the criteria to enter SL, which they currently don't.
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| Quote ="The Lambeth Quin"Not strictly true. The Wakefield chairman is in IVA whilst he fights a legal challenge to some land deal that went south and left him with "cash flow" issues.'"
Fair dinkum. Doesn't fill anyone with confidence to say that the chairman of the club is experiencing financial difficulties while the club is attempting to get plans for a stadium going. I remember last year they club won a 3 month reprieve from winding up moves brought by HMRC at the High Court in London. But it would be untrue to say the IVA had anything to do with the rugby league club, as you say it was a personal deal, nothing to do with club. I don't know the structure of the Wakefield club; ie owner, benefactors, etc so I cannot say that they are or aren't a financially sound club when viewed as a Super League entity.
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| Quote ="red chilli"It's a farce by the RFL that they will probably throw Wakefield out out of SL . What do The Broncos / Quins bring to SL?, your attendance at home is very poor, your away support is pathetic to say the least, your stadium is nice but the atmosphere is terrible .
I came to your stadium a couple of years ago and couldn't believe how poor your attendance and atmosphere was , speaking to people over that weekend not that many were really bothered about Quins RL and we were told that a lot of local rugby teams get free tickets to the games but don't even bother turning up.
How can your club financially support itself ?, the rumours of the RFL financially backing you and paying your coaches salary must be true ,no way can your gate pay for the running of your club, the RFL just don't want one of their wonderful expansion ideas to fail..
How can your club really justify a place in SL when traditional teams are been mugged by the RFL , i also thing P & R should be brought back .'"
Remind me, how much debt is Hull KR in? £3 million at the last count. Your chairman claimed you need a 10,000 average to break even, and looking at your average crowds you're obviously going to lose more money this year. Let's see how long it takes for your team of Australians to send you broke.
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| RUGBY LEAGUE, IS NOW MORE THAN EVER BEFORE - OFFICIALLY F***ED !
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| Wakefield and Castleford remain in limbo as they bid to push on with their own individual projects amid council calls for a more viable groundshare option. Fans of [size=150Harlequins, who continue to struggle for crowds[/size, and Crusaders will not be resting easy either.
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| I hate this whole system. Neither Wakefield or Castleford deserve to be booted out, and kicking us out is only suggested by the ignorant.
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| I reckon last minute the RFL will bottle it and go to 15 or 16 clubs. Then really tighten the franchise process so that every 3 years one will go only if a sensational franchise is forthcoming from some wealthy backed club.
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| Quote ="Londo06"................ I don't know the structure of the Wakefield club; ie owner, benefactors, etc so I cannot say that they are or aren't a financially sound club when viewed as a Super League entity.'"
Without the continued financial support of their sugar daddies most professional sports clubs of whatever sport wouldn't be in existance. My own football club has "loans" of £8million from the owner. And were still ing about in League 1 this coming season.
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| Dave, it wouldn't be such a big deal if it was relegation. Some teams will NEVER get to compete at the highest level, at least Quins will always be in Super League, because it's London RLFC. I imagine Wakefield/Cas/Salford will se this as a potential 'death knell', but everyone apart from Widnes (in the championship divisions) it's just an ongoing situation.
You have to be a realist, and accept Sky Super League is about expansion. That's just the way it is. See you guys in 2036 ?
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| It's very depressing, but Quins really don't deserve to be in Super League.
If we do remain then something has to be done with marketing the game effectively and if that means that the RFL funds this, then it has to be done as it's wrong that a London based team cannot get a full house when the Union side does most every week, although in the old days they'd be lucky to get 1000 turn up - how times have changed
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| Marketed properly and with real enthusiasm plus a few risks Quins could get the gates.
Everything else would fall into place.
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| Quote ="nadera78"Remind me, how much debt is Hull KR in? £3 million at the last count. Your chairman claimed you need a 10,000 average to break even, and looking at your average crowds you're obviously going to lose more money this year. Let's see how long it takes for your team of Australians to send you broke.'"
We get around 8,000 per game would be more if away fans actually travelled in numbers like both Hull clubs do . Another bug bear of mine is the money we generate for other clubs sometimes taking between 1500-2000 away fans .
As for the Aussies bankrupting us we are signing Blake Green & have put in an offer for Willie Mason so make of that what you will , you shouldn't be in SL your attendance & performance is shocking and your away support is non existent.
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| Quote ="The Lambeth Quin"Sorry forgot "Rugby League is a local sport for local people". Are you League Express "Ranter at the Naysayers" Phil Hodgson in disguise??
The same as many SL clubs. An owner with deep pockets............. Q. How much is KR's overdraft at the bank??
Another "M62 only members should play Rugby League" porky peddled in the northern pubs, clubs and League Express to justify the myopic "rugby league is a local sport for local people" mantra that is entrenched in the North.
What utter nonsense......................'"
What do Harlequins bring to SL ?. out of interest what is your average attendance ? Do you think you are a competitive side , lets see what the attendance is on Friday when you play Crusaders, how many of your fans will turn up.
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| Quote ="red chilli"What do Harlequins bring to SL ?. out of interest what is your average attendance ? Do you think you are a competitive side , lets see what the attendance is on Friday when you play Crusaders, how many of your fans will turn up.'"
What is with your obsession with attendances? How does the number of people turning up at our games affect anyone?
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