As a Wigan fan I thought you made us work hard and didn't exactly roll over and die type thing. We were well on defence after the cup semi so I'd actually take small positives from a, not being nilled by us and b, not letting us get fifty. Is it Salford next I heard? That should tell a lot.

Less one on ones missed

3 men in a lot of the tackles-Very few Wigan offloads

Thats what Rae has introduced in one session

Wigan highlighted our lack of defensive structure. I suspect that will be TR's project this week.

With TR having only been in the country for just over 48 hours before ko I didn't expect anything different - lets wait and see what happens against Salford in a fortnight when he's had time to do something.

As no one had started a thread during the match, was everybody there in our "35 Club" except GF?

a few of us posted last night when we got home on the Wigan 21.07.12 thread, it was just before 9.30pm I was in and shattered from the drive.

I think expectation as I said on that thread ran high last week, and even if Tony was the best coach in the world one training session was not going to work miracles. It was as usual a bad start and I started to think if it was worth it, but we did go through a period when we held them, as someone else said three men in the tackle, our line in defence was better. But then came the period when the lock gates well & truly opened, no one can deny Wigan are a good side and Sam T, if he wants to switch it on he can.

The crowd that Wigan brought some said about 1,000 made it look a little better in The Stoop. We have got to build now and this coming week Tony will work with them more but it is not a easy game upcoming. We have just got to hand in there.

Not sure how attractive it was the Wigan squad being treated to a night at the Theatre courtesy of IL ??

Funnily enough, I'm a tad more optimistic about certain parts of the game. The start was dreadful but then I was pretty much expecting that. I thought we did defend better, and we generally made fewer errors until the last 15 minutes when some of the players looked (as wire quin observed to me at the time) knackered.

I continue to be impressed by the spark and resillience of Kieran Dixon - he's not afraid to go toe-to-toe with Josh Charnley and come off second best on most tackles but he goes for it anyway. David Howell and Jamie O'Callaghan - how many more times can we say it? Neither of them are up to the required standard. They offer nothing either in attack or defence. Has anyone else noticed how reliant Gower is on the short ball? His distribution is very predictable.

Wigan played well within themselves I thought, although it was enjoyable watching Gareth Hock stuff up a 2 on 1.

Once again, embarrassing that the 'home' crowd in the east stand seemed vastly outnumbered by Wiganers. Visiting fans must laugh at us.

Some improvement in attitude and Keiran continues to impress.

All in all, not as bad as I was expecting...the test will be how we go against Salford.

Would have said there was at least 3000 Wigan fans in attendance (there were quite a few in the West Stand and they nearly filled the North Stand).

Enjoyed the comedy duo of Melling and Howell...highlight of the match. Hope it gets on the SL review show.

While im not sure if the lads positives outweigh the negatives i have always been impressed by his attitude in giving his all.Shame he isnt bigger as i doubt he is ever going to be a great tackler.

That Melling/Howell incident was the funniest thing I've seen all season.

It summed the season up

I thought the sides were evenly matched in the forwards with our guys making decent yardage and tackling pretty well with plenty of gang tackles. On the negative side they were a bit slow to move up at times and gave away more penalties than we could reasonably afford. Randall's distribution is not what it used to be.

Of the backs I thought Craig Gower, Kieran Dixon and Dan Sarginson battled hard against international calibre opponents. Robertson was efficient but unspectacular.

I thought David Howell and Jamie O'Callaghan were worth apoint 12 points each in gifts for the opposition and as usual Michael Witt seemed quiet, I always thought he would rain 'bombs' down on the opposition but I've seen little of that this season.

Having gone two tries down early on and being clearly out of the game I thought the players showed a lot of heart to battle on manfully. There has been a lot of back-to-back tries against them in other games and a collapse at the end but neither happened today.

You can't really be pleased with a big home defeat but I was very proud of the work ethic and desire shown today.

I'm thrilled that we are at least starting the rebuilding job and today was a forward step.

I thought we were better without doubt.
No lack of application and effort.
Werent to disappointed at the end but just relieved Wigan didnt really go for it,
as there was clearly a few extra gears left in them.

Only posting because duty calls, others have already written the same as I would. So:
Man for man outclassed in just about every position.


Kept going till the end.



Let's see what TR can achieve in two weeks time, though he has very little room for manoeuvre as far as the squad is concerned unless we get a few back pronto from injury.

Kept my bet of Wigan winning buy 36 - 40 alive so I was dead chuffed!

Wasn't expecting miracles with Rea having flown in Thursday nd it's a done deal that we'll finish 14th now.
The only hope I have is that we instill some belief and pride back in the players that we retain and ship out the ones that don't.

2013 is a big year for London Rugby League.

Whilst I agree, the fact of the matter is that it is only because 2012 has been run so badly that 2013 takes on even more significance.

The expression about not being able to organise a P-up in a brewery springs to mind.....nearly every aspect of the clubs season both on and off the park have been a shambles this year.....from the announcement of the name change with no shirt sponsor, through the shirts not being ready for sale, the shrinking fan base, the coaching fiasco, the sackings, the pretend review, the uncertainty over where they'll play next year and all the other rubbish, it's a wonder that David Hughes has continued to bother propping the club up.

The Club need to start thinking about 2013 NOW and start putting down concrete plans....the shirt, if it's being redesigned, needs to be shown off by the last day of the season and in the shop for xmas...the ST prices, once the venue issue is cleared up, need to be marketed now.....the number of OTR games declared.......a sponsor needs to be attracted, by any means.....2013 is a big year on the park, but it is MASSIVE off it, because the performance of the club as a business will be what the RFL will be looking at when it comes to licencing in summer 2014.......and it will also be the last opportunity to show the club in a good light to any potential nutters....sorry, investors.

Exactly, 2012 was [isupposed[/i to be a big year with the rebrand and investment in a squad that were expected to reach the playoffs.

You've mentioned a bunch of things there, and you can only assume, based on history, that we will manage to get absolutely all of them wrong.

Strong chances of:
1) The re-designed shirt being shown off in January on a jPeg, physically seen for the first time at a muddy HAC, and for sale by home game 2. The kit supplier will be the Madras Rubber Factory.
2) season ticket prices following the rule of "Random Walk". I honestly have no idea if they'll all be £350, all £50, or a bizarre mix in-between. Fair chance we'll re-jig what parts of the ground we'll open though.
3) the fixture list containing three "Venue TBC" dates, due to not being able to agree OTR venues, dates or financial arrangements. We will talk up the many options we have for crowdless grounds though.
4) the current sponsor not renewing and a return to the Foundation as major shirt sponsor.
5) the performance of the club as a business, like the rest of Superleague, will be completely ignored by the RFL
6) investors will obviously not be actually sought out. If they stumble across us, they will not be shown financials. If they ask about them, they will be told the average loss for the past 7 years has been £1.8m - so imagine what that could balloon to if you wanted to be successful!
7) and at risk of putting my head in the lion's mouth, marketing will continue to consist of Facebook posts. We will however, continue to hold 31 press conferences a year with awkward photos, and one fans forum.

Exciting times ahead.

OMG! last week it was all Hope & now once more we are back to the doom and gloom merchants! "The End is Nigh"

Do you not realise there are no clubs hardly without problems, some of them small, some not! one top three club fans are complaining today they are wanting to renew their season tickets now! for next season, they pay on direct debit, but if they do payments start immediately so they will be paying two direct debits. It seems simple when you look at it, but with RL clubs complicated seems to be the norm!

We all know that it is hardly that Tony will be able to turn it around to all wins to the end of the season, so accept it! then lets see who is given the post of coach, hope it is a top one and that some way we can bring some new blood in with Talent! The sponsorship is a start and there is a two year option, lets Hope they like the exposure they are also in the northern heartlands, shirts, lets get this season over!

Wouldn't be a bad idea for folks to stick with the intended theme of the thread:

Am I the only one who is suprised that Foosi is not on a disciplinary after the couple of big shots he put in towards the end of the game (I think one was against Flower, not sure about the other).

To be honest I am disappointed at the limited amount of time he is able to complete on the pitch, seems lazy, struggles to keep up with the game, doesn`t get back quickly, hands on hips etc......as one of our `name` signings he should be doing better.

May be he is not interested now due to the way the team is playing and hardly ever wining

I noted he looked lazy right back at the HAC game so I don't think it is that.

My Bad.
we lost....by a big margin and Wigan didn't have to try too hard.....the crowd was the usual selection of ex-pat wiganners from London, the travelling crowd and the 900 ST holders from London.
Nothing changed.......we will finish bottom and some people would rather discuss the pointless death throws of a god awfull season than what the club might need to do to have any chance of making 2013 better.

My Bad

Actually there were two - quoting myself. The 2nd being the amount of times the trainer was on his walkie-talkie then following up by passing on the instruction. I never saw that amount of communication from our last coach to the staff, ever. Anyone else notice?

Some spooky stats from last week.

Missed Tackles- Broncos - 36 Pies - 3
Tackle Busts - Broncos - 3 Pies -36
No of Broncos players not missing a tackle - 3
No of Wigan players missing a tackle - 3

Horrible stats but interesting symmetry.