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| We need to stay put. As Homer says, there is no advantage to moving again.
Brentford saw averages of 3803-3545-3460-3918...the stoop has seen 4238-3428-3630- 2901 (ytd)......but the fall off in attendances can be in part, put down to the dross served up since last Summer. Yes, the team need to be competative and yes, results do dictate the level of crowds that can be expected, but the underlying feature in the fall off of gate figures is not down to where we are situated geographically.......
To suggest that we move to a handier local for the ANZAC element shows up the poster for knowing nothing about either the habits of these transients or their loyalties. On the VT, bazza the troll has suggested better beer, better known players and better food.......I have suggested he go home.......it's all there waiting for him at Shark Park.
London RL and in it's current guise of Harlequins Rugby League is a work in progress. Yes, the crowd numbers are a worry, but just look at the 2 teams that faced each other at Caravan Park on Sunday...which line-up best fits the RFL's long term plan? Which club has the better ground? Finances? Award winning Community Team?....All these things point to Quins being in rude health and it is always the same old chestnut that crops up...my favourite topic, crowds and how to increase them. My thoughts on this need no repeating, so there's no need to go down that route, but what I will say is that for all the good work being done elsewhere, the club seem to have retained the field of dreams attitude to marketing......which is fine just so long as DH is prepared to prop them up year on year.
Everything else would seem to be moving in the right direction and once we get the full squad back, we will win a few more games this year. Next year is the litmus test.....we need to be competative from the start and this may well be the crucial factor in receiving another 3 years....end this season with a couple of wins, start next year like Wakey did this and everything will start to look a bit better.....
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| all you need is a consistently winning side and a better youth system and more people being aware (easy)
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| Quote ="Wire_Yed"all you need is a consistently winning side and [size=150a better youth system[/size and more people being aware (easy)'"
we have a yoof system.......the kids in the under age groups 15/16's are all coming along nicely....our reserves are getting beaten regularly due to our injury list being pretty much long all season and sending players to the Skolars...but they did make 4th 2 years ago and the Senior academy (U20's) are doing pretty well this year........but I agree, on the pitch a few wins would help and off it...more bums on seats.
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| Okay then, is there no way of getting every kid playing RL in London to games? I keep reading that there are record numbers playing the game, yet less and less support the game.
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| Quote ="jonny the leyther"Okay then, is there no way of getting every kid playing RL in London to games? I keep reading that there are record numbers playing the game, yet less and less support the game.'"
London isn't a small town like Leigh, for example. Its not so easy just to pop to the ground. It can involve travelling literally for hours if you are in the wrong part of London. Agree with what has already been said by Homer, GF et al.
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| Quote ="Chris Brown"For fear of being shot down (as often happens here) I would draw us back to the game day. I was consistently told that Saturday 3pm was the way forward and to give it a couple of years. Well we are 3 years into that scenario and it seems the crowds are only going one way and its not up
OK, I have no cause to complain because I am one of those who has drifted away, primarily because of the game day and because of the 100 mile round trip on match day. My choice but I wonder is we should accept that Saturday has failed, you can tell me that saturday means that all locals can get hammered after the match but sadly the 'best after match party' is not leading to success on or off the field
Is Saturdays 3pm really the answer
Just a question'"
There have only been 2 Saturday 3pm kick offs all seasons IIRC - both against Wakefield.
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| Quote ="jonny the leyther":1ix2z3wsOkay then, is there no way of getting every kid playing RL in London to games? I keep reading that there are record numbers playing the game, yet less and less support the game.'" the rest of their families also need to buy into it to the same degree, but for most it still is a novelty to come down and watch rather than being part of their culture and heritage.
Kids of 11-15 say in areas around Leigh or Castleford can on match days get together with their mates and walk down to a game, because it's local and thats what their dads did, and their dads before them.
Kids outside of a 2 mile radius of our ground cannot do that, kids playing the game in South, East, North, Central or even West London would need to have their parents take them, and in some cases the game day is the same day as they are also playing, not so easy to work the logistics out in those cases. We have to accept that the only way it may work is for the immediate area around the ground to want to accept the sport and make it part of their "heritage" and for that to even begin to consider happening, we need to be in place for a minimum of a decade if not longer, all other measures will only be transient.
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| Quote ="Chris Brown":2mwbxkea <snip>Is Saturdays 3pm really the answer
Just a question'" commiting to it for a minimum of 5 years so that people know that on X day at Y time there will be a live game of premier Rugby League on in London every other weekend.
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| Quote ="Dave Lister"There have only been 2 Saturday 3pm kick offs all seasons IIRC - both against Wakefield.'"
This is part of the problem. The supposed default game day/time we've chosen of 3pm Saturday is often impractical and we've ended up playing at all sorts of different times. Sometimes games have been switched to Sundays or (in the case of the Bradford game) Friday night for no apparent reason. Whilst Sunday afternoons would be my personal preference, for goodness sake let's just pick one regular day/time and stick with it.
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| What a few of my Northern chums don't realise is that to go from the most easterly to westerly points of London is the same distance as Warrington to Leeds.
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| What a few of my Souther chums don't realise is that they're club won't exist in a decades time unless you do something about it.
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| Quote ="jonny the leyther"What a few of my Souther chums don't realise is that they're club won't exist in a decades time unless you do something about it.'"
Everyone realises this danger. If it was that simple to address the situation it would have been done already. Relocating to another random football ground is certainly no solution.
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| I still think you should go to the Olympic Stadium, if you don't a yawnion club will and yet another opportunity for League in London will be missed.
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| Quote ="jonny the leyther"I still think you should go to the Olympic Stadium, if you don't a yawnion club will and yet another opportunity for League in London will be missed.'"
I very very very very very much doubt a Union club will go to the Olympic Stadium.
Which club were you thinking of? Blackheath?
Stick with The Stoop.
As for the transient Aussies, I stood next to two on the Ealing Road Terrace moons ago. He was on the VB while his mate smoked a joint! He was very surprised to find we had Jim Dymock and Jason Hetherington playing for us. Two big name Aussies and he wasn't aware. That showed me how much yer average Aussie knew about London RL.
If I was living in Sydney and Shane Williams and James Hook were turning out for Randwick, I'd know about it and be down there!
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| Stick where you are and you will die as a club.
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| Quote ="jonny the leyther"Stick where you are and you will die as a club.'"
Possibly but you can't prove that and nor can you prove that a move to another location would be any improvement at all.
FWIW, we are a West London club. If the Olympic Stadium would be good for RL, fine, but irrelevant to us, somebody else should have a go at it.
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| This from a Leigh fan, a heartlands club who have 3 figure attendances! Don't you think you should move over to blackburn or burnley? If you stay where you are between Wigan and Wire and Salford i can see your little club dying.
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| Quote ="jonny the leyther"Stick where you are and you will die as a club.'"
Doubt it. If we were to go under again, I am sure the "club" would move on.....maybe in the Championship, but it would continue in some form.
As for advise regarding geographical location...I take it you know London well. If so, you will be able to tell us your projected fan numbers from East London if we were to move to the Olympic Stadium....looking forward to seeing those when you post them
The problem with Quins RL is not the name (Union etc..)or the location, it is the failure to get the message out there that we exist. I have lost all interest in targeting ANZAC fans....they have no interest and it's doubtful many would travel to Loftus Road...let alone the Olympic Stadium. Even if you built a stadium in Shep-Bush green I doubt many would bother.....the target audience the club need to concentrate on is the borough of Richmond Upon Thames/Twickenham.........and they need to get the "family day" thing going...with mums and dads encouraged to bring their kids to a game with no blood scandals, no racist chanting and very little swearing if any.......
London RL has about 1250 to 1,750 fans that would travel to any southern ground to watch the club play under any name, but to throw the towel in after 5 years would just compound the issue again.
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| Quote ="Wire_Yed"This from a Leigh fan, a heartlands club who have 3 figure attendances! Don't you think you should move over to blackburn or burnley? If you stay where you are between Wigan and Wire and Salford i can see your little club dying.'"
When did we last get three figure attendances brains? I don't get why your average attendace on the SL stats on this have got you at 6535 when your biggest crowd has been 5200 against St.Helens. Must have Murrayfield Magic boosting it up. Your actual average crowd at The Stoop is 3112. Leigh got battered in SL and averages 4736. I think a Quins fan starting an arguement with anyone on crowds is incredible. My little club will outlive your little club my freind.
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| Quote ="jonny the leyther"When did we last get three figure attendances brains? I don't get why your average attendace on the SL stats on this have got you at 6535 when your biggest crowd has been 5200 against St.Helens. Must have Murrayfield Magic boosting it up. Your actual average crowd at The Stoop is 3112. Leigh got battered in SL and averages 4736. I think a Quins fan starting an arguement with anyone on crowds is incredible. My little club will outlive your little club my freind.'"
Which part of his user name don't you understand?
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| Quote ="Wire_Yed"What a few of my Northern chums don't realise is that to go from the most easterly to westerly points of London is the same distance as Warrington to Leeds.'"
What part of knowing who the poster is do you not understand?
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| You know a town is pretty dire when it's commonly refered to as 'the poor relation of Wigan'. So, you got a thousand odd higher attendance in SL than we did? Well, throw open the gates, scrap the London team, if we're going to promote our game we need Leigh in Superleague, it's clearly the cosmpolitian, cultural, economic hub of the country, it deserves a spot. I mean with the 'pie olympics' taking place in Wigan this year and indeed every year, we need it's little cousin Leigh in the Superleague.
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| If you had listened to every single post I have ever written on about expansion and who should and shouldn't be in or out of Super League, you will notice that every single time I put Quins in and don't put Leigh in. But thanks for tearing apart the town that my family are from and my daughter will have to grow up in. It's the kind of narrow minded, idiotic, ignorant but over-opinionated a**eholes like you that stop people talking openly about the game. Nice one.
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| it's always going to be hard to attract rugby league in london, too many big football clubs round , your attendances arent brilliant but you do however has a decent set up! when leyth was in SL a trip to your place was great - even though we go tonked!
i wish you all the best, a wouldnt worry abot your SL licence either , think wakey or cas will be facing the drop!
hopefully we get you in CC next year, at leigh Obviously!!!
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