Once again NB misses the point. Can't be asked to explain it to him.

See the monkey has resurfaced.

You're right about long journeys to home games. 90 minutes drive or 2 hours on the train for me from just outside Southend.

People I know travel from afar for home games, Southampton, Wakefield, Liverpool, Chelmsford, Peterborough, Ashford Kent, Newport. My journey is a 120 mile round trip from Kent.
Bradford fans complain about going to Dewsbury.

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To be fair, i'd complain about going to Dewsbury.

For many seasons I traveled from St Helens home and away, only usually missing one game in France, even night matches, and used to take in as many academy games when played on a Saturday.

Have not missed the point at all.
Sky viewing figures for SL are higher in South than the north! Thats without a London based SL team!
Ballot tickets for rlwc are apparently high percentage of southern based folk despite no london team in SL.
Would either of these numbers be higher witj a team in SL? No evidence for that.
Lets not forget broncos have had 40 plus years to make a mark for the sport in London.
Current evidence viewing figures ticket sales currently show it makes no difference if there is a SL presence or not.
There is no denying the few fans left tend to travel further than the majority of RL M62 fans to get to home games not sure why thats significant in the numbers that come through the gate.

The sky viewing figures are pretty irrelevent to the arguement. Put money on it the folk that are watching RL on sky in the south are those saints, wigan, leeds, cas, fans etc that live down south. Those folk tend to come to watch London broncos once only in a season.
They are never going to flock to london as proven already


This is just utter nonsense.

Why is it utter nonsense? Do you honestly think there are hordes of people watching rugby league on sky that are not already rugby league fans?
If so then think you have it very wrong! Look at why folk pay for sky sports, to watch the sport they love, not some other random sports.

So in 96 which i think was used as the example. Free tickets through the red top. Tickets for a fiver, kids get in free, free entry for folk playing in the locallity, incentives like a raffle. (Sounds very similar to a certain NAmerican club)
One day you have to stop giving it away and see how many keep coming and paying for the privilage. If those folk dont keep coming then you have to ask why?
So why did they stop coming?

I certainly complain about that pub near the ground with the miserable landlady. The Royal Oak.

Well NB, I started following the Broncos in 1996. We are still going, however now, we are three generations that go.
What is more, we pay to go, unlike you !
I will add, I see people at Trailfinders who I recognise or know from the days at the Valley.

This is true BUT the RFL could have asked as part of the application for WC tickets if people we’re happy to share their details with RL clubs.

Let’s assume there are 50,000 applications for tickets and 20% come from the south east, and of those 10,000 10% said it was okay to share their data (possible that might have been a higher percentage) that would have given the Broncos 1,000 people to target. It don’t sound a lot but I think potentially it is invaluable. Even 10% of that potential number attended Bincos home games is a extra 100 people on the gate. At £20 a head over 13 games that is £26k a year which at our level is one excellent player. It doesn’t sound much but it is.

And all of this would have virtually cost the RFL nothing!

At the same time who at the Broncos has approached the RFL to ask them to ask for permission to share this data?

For me the RFL are poor to not push the Broncos, but the Broncos themselves are at fault too to not advertise themselves too.

Gretofax (wrong spelling I know) or whatever his/her current psnonim is had it right for me London has to sell it’s self first.

PS I think this thread is one of the best I have read for a while.

No mate, you're the one claiming that the people in southern England who watch SL on Sky are exiled northerners. Your claim. Not mine. Nor anyone else's. So back it up.

Shouldn't think he can Nadera as per usual.

26k may get you a good player in Fev but you could easily pay 14k in rent or more in London so unless you were living with parents or in a flat share, its not that attractive for full time players.

DC,

I appreciate that, I was just trying to put some values in relation to the suggestion to the marketing to people buying WC tickets, which I still believe would have been a good shout. Which points out it might not be as lucrative as it seems on the face of it, I just get the impression (how be it from 175 miles away) that London could do more to sell themselves in general.

Absolutely mate, you can see it from 175 miles away but the club often don't see it from the end of their noses

They haven't been able to see beyond the end of their nose for decades.
Well at least since the days of Gus Mackay ( shudder!) at the Stoop .

Oh no RFE, you said the GM words.Thoughts of him keep me up at night.

Whatever turns you on mate

Gus Mackay, that was an era of Londons history I would rather forget.

GM as GM and Powell as coach ruined the club and we haven’t recovered since

We had full SC spend that year if we had a decent coach we would still be in SL playing in a good ground with largish crowds by our standards.

Agree fully! our current home we have to accept is not up to Super League standards, but then Castleford and Wakefield isn't still!

As a Trinity fan, you’ll get no argument from me on that score. We have seen so many false dawns on the subject of stadium redevelopment, and it’s not through lack of effort by club owners, but dodgy developers and council leaders. We live in hope. I’ve enjoyed my visit to the traifinder stadium, think it’s a cracking little stadium, especially in summer.

To be Honest compared to Trinitys Stadium (IE: The Allotment)
Trailfinders is 100% More Preferable On a Cold and freezing Miserable Evening in January than a Warm July weekend at Wakefield. !!!

Yes I agree! I pointed out in another thread that clubs like St Helens were fortunate to be able to borrow the money from Hong Kong to develop their own new ground, I'm not convinced they even got it completely correct! lack of parking at the ground one. Owning your own ground is so vital, Trailfinder may be a homely place in summer, but we are never going to get the real crowds we need to finance a Top Super League Club, and keep it there.