So where did anyone say we were playing? Or have I wandered into another marketing thread?

Will someone lock this BS or send it to the other sports section.

Yeah, I suppose you're right.

GF may quote a lot of stats but he sure doesn't seem able to interpret them.

You didn't provide any evidence to back up your moral judgement that they are running a ponzi scheme.

Yet to see this evidence? I've seen your opinion quite a lot here, but no links to facts or stats....

I mean to say, you "think" that they spent 250k on wembley...and, er, nope, that's it.
You have patently ignored the facts surrounding the 83,000 attendance not being designed to attract new regulars to games, the same way that you repeatedly go on about the supposedly thousands of free tickets, but with no substantiated figures and every time you post, you reatedly claim to have backed up your standpoint with facts...which you haven't.

As for my being able to interpret stats.........post some and we'll see shall we?

You really are a card GF. I produced evidence that the Wembley stunt generated no new customers and you claim that isn't the point of marketing. So if that's the case can you please explain what is and by extension your neverending supply of superfluous stats?

If the problem is location, that we are in union heartlands, then the least worst option is to move to Stratford. There's a desire for post Olympic legacy, which suggests some good deals on land or stadiums, west Londoners could get there via Waterloo and the Jubilee line, and the only competition is West Ham, Orient and Dagenham & Redbridge.

The Stoop is ideal for me, but I could still see myself going to Stratford. Barnet, MK, Gillingham not so.

If we can rent a stadium cheaply, then I don't see the need to own it. Companies rent office space, it's not such a big deal.

However, priority No 1 should be having a team that can qualify for the playoffs. Little point spending on marketing if the team is going to bet beaten. Thousands turned up to see the first Quins RL game against St Helens. We lost 56-nil I think, and those thousands never came back.

Digital marketing via Facebook etc means you can measure your results more closely than sticking an advert in a newspaper or on a billboard.

Little point marketing full stop apparently ...

Nope....what I said was sarries knew how to draw a crowd. I said this in response to your assertion on page 5 of this thread...remember?
=#FF0000

Quote ="Cowgirl Nostalgist"Funny thing is Saffercens market like crazy, & even win things, but they still can't draw a crowd.'"

The wembley event was an event designed to generate media interest and attract sponsorship/sponsorship interest...I have never said it was designed to attract fans to games at VR.....you have "opined" this, but like the rest of your posts, there is little in the way of factor stats to back up your opinion. By the way, I believe it's fair to refer to 83,000+ as a crowd.

Furthermore, you cast doubt on my ability ro comprehend stats, when in fact, I have posted the only accurate ones here and have backed them up with factual assessment that Sarries have averaged over 17k per game over the last 3 seasons.....you reckon their being run like a Ponzi scheme...again, your opinion with no fact.

What we do know about the fezzed wonders is that they will have a nice shiny new stadium in 7 months time, as well as an 8 million pound sponsorship deal over 6 years......in the context of this thread....I would say that puts them in a much better position than the London Broncos RL club.....which in reality, is all I said in the first place.

Unless you think being 100% reliant on 1 man for survival, having a shirt sponsor for only 7 of 54 games and not being able to confirm to your long suffering fans exactly where the team will be playing in 2013 is better than sarries position?

Location isn't a problem despite what some on here might think. If you look at the crowd figures over the years, it doesn't make a huge difference where we play.

What does make a difference is success on the pitch and marketing. We have had good crowds at the Stoop in that past when those things were going well.

Well said

Quote ="gutterfax"............ I believe it's fair to refer to 83,000+ as a crowd..........................'" Apparantly so does Sarries head honcho Nigel Wray. I'm sure to Cowgirl Nostalgist distain. www.wembleystadium.com/Events/20 ... ugby-Union

Quote ="gutterfax"............ I believe it's fair to refer to 83,000+ as a crowd..........................'" Apparantly so does Sarries head honcho Nigel Wray. I'm sure to Cowgirl Nostalgist distain. www.wembleystadium.com/Events/20 ... ugby-Union

Back on topic...must hear something soon as they will want to start the ST push.

I hope we will stay at The Stoop. Will see my Quins mate at weekend so will see if he has any further news.

Our club is usually pretty leaky on this sort of thing and we all get wind of it ages before an announcement.

Mind, it didn't really happen when Powell was demoted...

No and there were no rumours about Brian Mac's appointment...

I've done some research on that.

It's 6 million quid for shirt sponsorship and 2 million quid for stadium naming rights.

So 1.3 million a year.

Akin to the amount of money David Hughes allegedly pumps into the Broncos annually.

& in terms of naming rights alone an absolute pittance.

If this debate was a dog, I'd take it round the back of the shed and do the decent thing with it.....both barrels just to make sure


You said Sarries couldn't attract a crowd...you were wrong.
You are now saying that 1.3 million, no matter what for, is a pittance


I am happy to continue to put you in your place........but somehow, I suspect this thread doesn't have much more time on here. You seem to have evolved into some sort of poor troll...which is a shame really.

BOT:

The Stoop for 2013, with an announcement at some stage in the middle of next year as to the signing of a 3 year deal with Club X to play games there........anything that will cover up the shambles of the last 18 months...in fact, the shambles of the last 17 years!

I find myself agreeing with Jaybs on this......what has happened on the pitch this year has negated the need for debate on the pi55 poor attempts at marketing...let's just hope that "they", whomever "they" are, have been planning a total media assault for next season, because I doubt asking ST holders to bring a mate is going to cut the mustard next year

FFS

What is it with some folk on here......Try to stay on topic....I know marketing is the be all and end all to some of you but for Christs sake give it a rest.....Keep to your related threads and keep your marketing ping pong squabbles amongst yourselves...What used to be a fun bit of banter and source of shared information between us fans is now an ego fest for some.....Its not a competition to see which person can quote the most statistics (proven or fantasy).....

Is there really an appetite for any code of rugby in London?

10 million people, not even 100,000 of all codes combined.

If I have broken the rules on this site, then fine, get the mods to deal with me, but stop whining like little girls FFS



Not so long ago there were a few threads about the London Broncos owning their own stadium as a result of comments from the CEO and Chairman.....the CEO went to Copthall to check out the site.....since then, Sarries have bought and paid for the ground and gained planning permission and will be playing games there by February next year.......meanwhile, we'll discuss where we're playing next year and who we're paying rent to.
The Sarries debate is a valid one....just because you don't like it, doesn't make it wrong.




By the way...the question in the OP has been answered.....The stoop is where the London Broncos have an arrangement to play for 1 more season after this....

Are you hard of English or deliberately dissembling?

The pittance is the 333,000 quid Allianz are stumping up for naming rights alone.

Whereas the other million quid is enough to fund a Broncos style operation.

Time will tell.

The Blusterdome is already more than a year behind schedule.

Good point, but you don't know the half of it.
Two of the top flight 'London' RU clubs don't play anywhere near the place.

good point. I think this is a good time to draw this 'discussion' to a close.