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| For me it's yet more evidence that the club won't be around in 2015.
As for the rest of the game, I think it's a crackers idea designed to allow the smaller SL clubs to reduce their expenditure and still get a crack at the big boys. What the RFL should be doing is attempting to create a genuine elite league, instead they're pandering to the mid-ranking clubs. The future for RL in this country seems to be as a training ground for the NRL and union.
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| How Catallan could abstain on such a major vote? perhaps we got the three Leeds players on loan, for our vote. The Super League still have to agree about how they go about having more control of Super League, but Big Nigel said this week, no way!
The whole idea is a set back for the game, no wonder Scottish Football rejected something similar.
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| Quote ="nadera78"For me it's yet more evidence that the club won't be around in 2015.
As for the rest of the game, I think it's a crackers idea designed to allow the smaller SL clubs to reduce their expenditure and still get a crack at the big boys. What the RFL should be doing is attempting to create a genuine elite league, instead they're pandering to the mid-ranking clubs. The future for RL in this country seems to be as a training ground for the NRL and union.'"
No offence but Broncos are clearly one of those mid-ranking clubs looking to reduce their expenditure. If the RFL did push an elite league that condemned the mid-sized clubs to oblivion then Broncos are going to be the first casuality.
Personally I think that it is vital to the game's health that mid-sized are kept alive. Huddersfield and Salford would have been written off if an elite league had been created 5-6 years ago.
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| Quote ="Hedgehog King"No offence but Broncos are clearly one of those mid-ranking clubs looking to reduce their expenditure. If the RFL did push an elite league that condemned the mid-sized clubs to oblivion then Broncos are going to be the first casuality.
Personally I think that it is vital to the game's health that mid-sized are kept alive. Huddersfield and Salford would have been written off if an elite league had been created 5-6 years ago.'"
I think the Broncos are dead at the end of this season, reshuffle or not.
In a general sense the game needs a genuine elite league that can pay players decent wages and provide good facilities and opportunities for recognition. Otherwise we are doomed to be nothing more than a feeder for the NRL and union. Spreading our limited resources around the second tier clubs does not bring about the changes we need, in fact it does the opposite.
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| We need Sky to start paying a fair amount for the Broadcasting rights so that the lower end clubs like the broncos, Cas Wakey can cover all their operating costs and not just the players wages. We have to get BT to get involved in the bidding process for the next round or the game will continue to decline.
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| Quote ="nadera78"I think the Broncos are dead at the end of this season, reshuffle or not.
In a general sense the game needs a genuine elite league that can pay players decent wages and provide good facilities and opportunities for recognition. Otherwise we are doomed to be nothing more than a feeder for the NRL and union. Spreading our limited resources around the second tier clubs does not bring about the changes we need, in fact it does the opposite.'"
Long term the strength of the SL lies in the league ladder below it. The lower leagues are where we have seen expansion. If you want sides like Sheffield, Skolars, Hemel, Crusaders etc to kick on and get to a position where they might have a go at SL then it is essential that they have a healthy competition to play in the meantime.
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| Hedgehog is spot on!
And London fans should start opening their eyes.
We will be in the 2nd tier, especially if the likes of MacKay stay in charge, therefore the 3x8 P&R system actually works in OUR favour, we wouldn't have a cat in hells chance of promotion without it. THIS gives US a chance in the future!
In fact you could argue that the RFL has come up with it, specifically for London's benefit, let's face it, throwing money and exemptions from rules our way hasn't helped (largely because of the pratts in charge, true, but it's failed nevertheless).
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| I'd also add that although Danny Brough is the Man of Steel in 2013, he failed to make the grade in SL first time round and only got back into the big league after a stint at Dewsbury and York.
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| RFL struck a five year deal with Sky for the 2012-2016 Seasons when they were the only game in town. Now BT, Premier Sports, ESPN, French TV companies (and even the BBC wanting to hang onto a bit of sport) are now in a bidding war for sports rights.
This long term deal now appears very poor news. I think it was vital to re-negotiate the overall TV deal before 2017, and they would only get away with this was after a radical format change. Not a surprise we have one and that the change is unanimous, but with a lot of wrangling in the background about what it might be.
There might be as much as Ā£1-2M a year per club extra from a new deal, pretty attractive to most SuperLeague clubs who lose Ā£1-2M.
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| Yep, the money from TV is vital, and I actually approve of the RFL spreading it to the middle order, as this is were a lot of talent comes from, also it gives those who never quite make the grade a second chance and gives some old pros somewhere to have a last season or two.
The 3 x 8 with P&R, effectively means that even if London slip back to what we started with at the birth of SL (which last season with 2k averages looks to be pretty much the case), we should still be in with a chance, perhaps a better chance than the old 2 up and 2 down system.
When you play about with it, it makes sense.
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| As people look at the details more, some claim it could end up with 4 Super League clubs being relegated, and some Championship clubs saying they will need to go full time with some players to get promoted. I still do not think it has been really thought out, the same system was taken up abroad in Swiss football, because of falling attendances, lack of sponsors and not sufficient TV money, have we heard something like that here? Of course it was dropped, and it was the Swiss who advised the Scots to reject it.
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| What concerns me is if the SL sides finish 1-2-3-4 in the middle 8 in the first season. How seriously will people take the middle 8 after that?
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| It sums up rugby league when Danny Brough says today, they do not want to win the league, they want only to finish in the Top 5, and concentrate on cups, it makes our game look a joke, even if true!
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| Quote ="Hedgehog King"What concerns me is if the SL sides finish 1-2-3-4 in the middle 8 in the first season. How seriously will people take the middle 8 after that?'"
I've thought the same. You can imagine the howls of protest from the likes of Featherstone and Halifax claiming the system is biased towards SL clubs
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| Quote ="CrusaderPete"
In fact you could argue that the RFL has come up with it, specifically for London's benefit, let's face it, throwing money and exemptions from rules our way hasn't helped (largely because of the pratts in charge, true, but it's failed nevertheless).'"
Er, what money have the RFL thrown at us?
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| Reading on TRL that the finances haven't been agreed yet. The RFL want to take the money saved from dropping two SL clubs and give it to the Championship clubs. The SL clubs, however, are saying that it's their money because they generate it and want to keep it.
Truth is they do generate it because Sky pay for SL, no-one pays for the Championship. And Sky aren't gong to show games from the Championship, even under the new format, at most just a couple after the split occurs. The SL clubs need that money, we all know that, so why should they give it to the Championship clubs?
We could well end up with a middle 8 that sees 4 SL clubs on 1.3million central funding meeting 4 Ch. clubs on 90K central funding. That'll be interesting to watch!
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| Quote ="Andover Boy"Er, what money have the RFL thrown at us?'"
LMFAO!
How long have you followed the club?
err........at one point, to stop us collapsing, the RFL actually OWNED the club!
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| Quote ="CrusaderPete"LMFAO!
How long have you followed the club?
err........at one point, to stop us collapsing, the RFL actually OWNED the club!
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But they only paid the players wages for about four months, and I am sure they got it back when Maranta bought the club!
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| Is it relevent for how long, or whether the money was repaid, fact is they did step into the breach with hard cash when it was required. Plus does anyone really believe that all of the developement monies for RL in London came from the Broncos....seriously??????
Even if the RFL had never coughed up, it wouldn't alter the fact that we were gifted top-flight football (as were PSG, Catalans and Crusaders), protected from relegation and allowed to play more overseas players than the rest.
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| Quote ="CrusaderPete"Plus does anyone really believe that all of the developement monies for RL in London came from the Broncos....seriously??????'"
Hmmm....I have seen the profit and loss sheets for the club for the last few years and we receive [u pretty much the same[/u as every other club according to these. The only way the RFL could be slipping us a few bob under the counter is if they were "helping" Hughes with some of his losses.
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| I'm not gonna keep arguing the toss, but London RL did not begin and end with Mr Hughes.
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| Quote ="CrusaderPete"London RL did not begin and end with Mr Hughes.'"
It might end with him though.
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| Nah, when Fulham finally ended, fewer fans than we have now kept going with London Crusaders, if we have to, we'll do it again.
Theres also the Skolars and a reasonable amateur scene, which there wasn't in '91, so no it really won't end when Hughes pulls the plug.
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| Good audio description of the new set-up from Ralph Rimmer, RFL COO.
[urlhttps://audioboo.fm/boos/1865006-rfl-give-more-details-on-superleague-restructure[/url
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| Not mentioned by Rimmer but I assume this rejig will see the demise of the stupid `Club Call` farce in the playoffs.
Not convinced that fans will flock to the playoffs as anticipated....as we all know RL fans (northerners) are not keen on anything that they have to pay extra for over and above their ST (membership scheme in our case).
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