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| Quote ="mickyb1234"It was not the ref who gave up on the chase from the same interception that was Will Sharp'"
At least he gave chase, unlike many others.
Quote ="mickyb1234"It was not the ref that chased down Will Sharp (our speedster) when he made a break, instead it was 5 or 6 Salford players that ou paced him'"
Maybe its because he is tired with his workload of six players. It seemed that 33% of the time we were in possession Will Sharp had the ball.
More concerning was how we made a total mess of scoring after the break. Almost every team above us would have turned it into a try, maybe that's why they are above us...
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| Quote ="mickyb1234"so an overall look at how I saw the game
Despite the fact I am still fuming
Lets see who i remember!
Curtis! No real complaints, did come up with some good last ditch tackles, especially in the 2nd half when Gaffa missed his tackle
On to Gaffa! Does not look fit, missed too many tackles, no pace any more!
Will Sharp, never give up on the chase, on the interception try by Salford 10 mtrs out he gave up, so try under the sticks "keep chasing" u never know what will happen, if he is our speed merchant hmmmm there were at least 5 if not 6 Salford players who had to turn to chase him and all out paced him
Too much running sideways rather than fwd
Salford must have kicked for there winger to chase 3 or 4 times, Will on at least 2 of those occasions initially was ambling back to get the ball
Rob P, he must be getting frustrated at what he has around him
Chad! hmmm cannot forgive the panalty that went infield from where he kicked it, and was it Chad that screwed up the kick off (schoolboy stuff)
Tony Clubb, looked busy at times but again went sideways and ended up losing 5 mtrs in one play
Luke G
tried hard but again too much running sideways and not much support or runners off him
Fwds in general, lazy! not too bad with ball in hand going fwd but when Salford kicked deep and we were running the ball out, half the squad took 2 or 3 sets to get back behind the play
Any positives?
very few
BUT LMS offload for the try under the sticks, and his try! was he our quickest player on the park today, he had been down having treatment on his knee 5 mins before
Lamont!!! came on the park and showed enthusiasm and excitement
all in all utter rubbish with occasional bits of interest
Players seem very demotivated? (Coach? fatigue? who knows)
no enthusiasm
no interest in fact
They all look like they just want the season done with'"
I have to agree with you that there is far too much running sideways by most of the players. The forwards in particular cant run onto the ball beacause they have to hold back because there is no space for them to run into. This is something the coaching staff must be telling them to do because so many players are doing it.
Much as I admire Purdo he is not the sort of captain who gets the team going or is a general on the pitch. These players need someone to tell them what to do.
I dont believe the players don't care - i just think they havnt got the energy to do what they are being asked. Maybe we peaked early on in the season and now the tank is empty. Yes we dont have a lot of depth but the retaining of Jonny Grayshon, the signing of Mick Nannyn and Gardner had us all shaking our heads but these were BMs decisions. Are these really the best that BM could come up with.
I would add Wells to that list of names. How can a seasoned professional winger allow himself to be bundled into touch like that when we are trying to build up some pressure with tackles still in hand. The guy has no speed anymore, doesnt break a tackle, and has completely forgotton where the try line is. As ive said before, being a 'solid' full back isnt enough. The club should stick O'Callaghan in now for the rest of the season. We need tries - and someone with pace.
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| I will post further later but Alibert only made 1 error today, and that was not awarding a knockon late in the second half when Smith(?) was writhing at the play the ball and played it backwards for Alker who clearly fumbled. Otherwise he was spot in my eyes. Why people were crying when he awarded Salford the ball when it was a clear knock on from a high kick I will never know. I was right in front of it and it was a clear knock on from Quins.
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| I agree that will did at least give chase
and i dont deny that he does a stack load of work especially first and second tackle coming out of our red zone!
But it still is a worry that he could not go the full length with the start he had , it was the fact that there was at least 5 players catching him!!!
The comment about JW yep he is coming to the end of his life in the top flight as such, but bit like Will S he grafts all game
I have no prob with a winger getting taken in to touch now and again
What worries me is when people like Luke Dorn does one of his looping runs and then gets bundled like he did against the bulls
Maybe the training regime is wrong
Maybe the attitude in the camp is wrong
there is certainly a problem with fatigue with all the squad
maybe 1 year we can peak at the right end of the season
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| Quote ="mickyb1234"so an overall look at how I saw the game
Despite the fact I am still fuming
Lets see who i remember!
Curtis! No real complaints, did come up with some good last ditch tackles, especially in the 2nd half when Gaffa missed his tackle
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was it Chad that screwed up the kick off (schoolboy stuff)
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That was Curtis. Shame for him because I agree that otherwise he was one of the few bright spots.
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all in all utter rubbish with occasional bits of interest
Players seem very demotivated? (Coach? fatigue? who knows)
no enthusiasm
no interest in fact
They all look like they just want the season done with'"
Just one example. Curtis made an excellent break in the 2nd half. No support at all except for Gafa who, to his credit got there, but then lost the ball. I looked at the rest of the team - they were just strolling up the pitch. No urgency, no enthusiam, no effort!
And what was Dorn thinking about when he slipped that tricky inside pass to McGilvray? Didn't look, just tried to be clever.
I don't want this squad to scrape into the play-offs, it would be pointless.
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| Quote ="Dave Lister"I will post further later but Alibert only made 1 error today'"
I thought he was weak on Salford's offsides close to their own line.
Quote , and that was not awarding a knockon late in the second half when Smith(?) was writhing at the play the ball and played it backwards for Alker who clearly fumbled. Otherwise he was spot in my eyes. Why people were crying when he awarded Salford the ball when it was a clear knock on from a high kick I will never know. I was right in front of it and it was a clear knock on from Quins.'"
You are so right with both of those Lister. There was hardly a grumble from our supporters about Alker's knock-on, yet all around me people were screaming at the ref although Wells clearly knocked on.
(I got a new pair of specs yesterday, BTW. )
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| The Dorn break and dropped pass, from what was a pretty poor pass really summed things up really
Whay not take the tackle, and build pressure, it was a panic last pass, could not really blame Gaffa for dropping it, but he did have a marker all over him so keeping hold and building would have been beter option!
BUT thats easy enough for me to say sat in the stands
The scary thing with the kick off out on the full for the penalty after Salford scored I wish i could have put a tenner on it
I said it would happen as we lined up the kick!! its what we do!!!!! and ever so predictable
On that front
why oh why do we not vary the kick off now and again?????
I do agree though I dont think i really want to go in to the play offs with the way we are playing
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| I know I've only been watching London rugby since 2002, but seriously the last 2 months - and the last fortnight in particular - have got to be the most depressing period I've experienced. At least in the seasons the Broncos flirted with relegation you knew the players just weren't competitive, and you got a sense they really, really tried hard and grafted with their limited means. What are the positives now? Nothing, nada, nowt. No heart, no passion, no resilience, no common sense... no optimism for the future.
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| Quote ="Hull Kingston Bronco"I know I've only been watching London rugby since 2002, but seriously the last 2 months - and the last fortnight in particular - have got to be the most depressing period I've experienced. At least in the seasons the Broncos flirted with relegation you knew the players just weren't competitive, and you got a sense they really, really tried hard and grafted with their limited means. What are the positives now? Nothing, nada, nowt. No heart, no passion, no resilience, no common sense... no optimism for the future.'"
Quite how I feel also. People are whining about sitting in the wrong stand and using that as their reason for not getting a season ticket. If things continue as they are, and McDermott is still coach, I probably won't bother either and I would suggest that my reasoning for making such a decision would not be uncommon, and certainally a more important concern for the club over those who don't like the view.
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| Is Luke Dorn contracted for next year? What an utter shambles. Threw a silly interception, a lovely hospital pass to Gafa after a break up field, woeful kicking game as usual (theres no point in doing a cross kick if nobody is following). I await someone telling me what a brilliant try he scored but a 16 year old should be able to take advantage of a 4 vs 2 situation.
Make LMS captain and build the team around him, he and a select band of others are the only ones that care. Lamont and Clubb also I would suggest.
I have been one of Wells' biggest supporters and defended him for ages but he's been very poor in recent weeks, basic errors - people say he should be playing full back, but I don't think this is good enough. He clearly is not fast enough to play on the wing anymore, all he does is cut inside because he isn't fast enough to beat the man on the outside.
What happened to Ward? Why was Haggerty determined to get himself sent off?
A serious clear out is needed at the end of the season. Players who are not good enough IMO (forgetting contracts for now):
Gafa
Wells
Dorn
Gardner
Heckenberg
Williamson
Sharp needs to seriously buck his ideas up too.
We need a decent half back, a utility back and a better hooker than Kaye who has been shown up recently IMO.
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| Quote ="Dave Lister"What happened to Ward?'" He was playing injured. On everything else I agree apart from the ref - if you are going to ignore off sides (for both sides) then be consistant - don't randomly pick out offsides, all or nothing - I think his gaffes were weighed evenly to both sides - it comes to something when you are worried a sorry refereeing decision might influence the outcome of a game !!!
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| Quote ="Cent100"He was playing injured. On everything else I agree
apart from the ref - if you are going to ignore off sides (for both sides) then be consistant - don't randomly pick out offsides, all or nothing - I think his gaffes were weighed evenly to both sides - it comes to something when you are worried a sorry refereeing decision might influence the outcome of a game !!!'"
Yer fair shout tbh.
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| Yesterday's game was between two very very poor teams indeed. If we'd been up against anyone other than Salford or Celtic we would have been absolutely smashed by 40+.
Rob Purdham did his best and Louie showed pride in the shirt, but everyone else - Jesus wept.
Lets be honest, the season is over. We were absolutely p*** poor, and I cannot see where our next win is coming from at the moment.
I think the way things are right now the team/coach etc are very lucky they haven't been at booed off.
Oh, and chances are that Celtic Crusaders' average attendance this season will be better than ours. Everything's just peachy then, eh?
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| Quote ="Surreyben"Yesterday's game was between two very very poor teams indeed. If we'd been up against anyone other than Salford or Celtic we would have been absolutely smashed by 40+.
Rob Purdham did his best and Louie showed pride in the shirt, but everyone else - Jesus wept.
Lets be honest, the season is over. We were absolutely p*** poor, and I cannot see where our next win is coming from at the moment.
I think the way things are right now the team/coach etc are very lucky they haven't been at booed off.
Oh, and chances are that Celtic Crusaders' average attendance this season will be better than ours. Everything's just peachy then, eh?'"
Lamont tried his best when he came on, I think he showed alot more heart than the majority of his team mates yesterday.
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| Yesterday was a low point in my time watching London RL(I didn't get to the Bulls game last week due to holiday although I'm informed that was worse)
We were dreadful yesterday. Our attacking options for 2 months now has been nothing short of pathetic. I cant think of one good move we put on yesterday. Mcdermot has to be held responsible. It was he who replaced Mclinden, Hill, Paul etc with run of the mill talentless players. He has ruined Gafa, he insists on playing Wells, he has brought in Dorn as a 6 who couldn't organise a kids party. The 2 Aussies who I suspect are on big bucks are no better than Golden who I suspect is on a fraction of there wages.
Salford were equally as useless which makes it harder to swallow.
The season cant end quick enough for me. The errors we made to let the Reds in at the end were worse than a decent amateur team would make. What was Melling thinking about.
Im sick of it and sick of reading McDermotts post match comments. He should put his hand up and start taking some of the blame-he's the team manager.
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| Quote ="Dave Lister"Quite how I feel also. People are whining about sitting in the wrong stand and using that as their reason for not getting a season ticket. If things continue as they are, and McDermott is still coach, I probably won't bother either and I would suggest that my reasoning for making such a decision would not be uncommon, and certainally a more important concern for the club over those who don't like the view.'"
What a load of rubbish, typical London RL 'fan'. Any excuse to quit supporting the club. Pro sport's an up and down thing. The last couple of months have been sh** so lets all burn our season tickets
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| Quote ="Tre Cool"What a load of rubbish, typical London RL 'fan'. Any excuse to quit supporting the club. Pro sport's an up and down thing. The last couple of months have been sh** so lets all burn our season tickets
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He's entitled to his opinion, ill be renewing my season ticket, but ill be thinking alot before i do this.
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| someone had to say it the offside calls from terry albert were fair calls not random
Dont forget its actually the TJ who are policing the main offside calls ref will only pick up on those blatantly stood in front
Not 1 ref or tj in the super league correctly enforce the offside when a team are defending on there own goal line so we cannot use that excuse
I would probably agree 1 poor decision on a knock on missed think it was alker
Other than that we have no excuse
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| Quote ="mickyb1234"someone had to say it the offside calls from terry albert were fair calls not random
Dont forget its actually the TJ who are policing the main offside calls ref will only pick up on those blatantly stood in front
Not 1 ref or tj in the super league correctly enforce the offside when a team are defending on there own goal line so we cannot use that excuse
I would probably agree 1 poor decision on a knock on missed think it was alker
Other than that we have no excuse'"
Load of rubbish - were we watching the same game ? I am not making any excuses, we were garbage, but you will recognise that a defensive line (both sides) should be 10 metres away from the play the ball - generally, the referee marks the 10 metres, if you stray within the 10 metres you are off side. Several refs like Mr A tend to let it go, my issue is why then pick on the odd off side if you are generally letting it go ?
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| Actually Alibert tends to mark 12 metres and then won't penalise those standing in front. It was evident from the Wigan game this year. Everyone was calling 'they're standing in front of you' but they were actually 10 metres back. What people seemed to be missing was the amount of 'turtling' that the Wigan players were doing on ours. We could have had penalties on every tackle that night, and it's been a constant issue with just about every visiting team - and taken to extremes by Huddersfield. Yet the refs just let it continue.
As for Saturday I don't think anybody left the ground with anything other than contempt for the player's effort for MOST of the game - particularly at the end of each half and throughout most of the first. But had such a ludicrous surrender of position not taken place we'd have had plenty to complain about from Mr Halibut. I honestly can't fathom how people on here can point to just one mistake! Three of Salfords tries and one of ours should never have been given and will somebody sit Halibut down and explain the difference between forward and backward. The fact that BOTH sets of fans were chanting 'you don't know what you're doing' and 'cheat' suggest that several if not many of the calls he made were dodgy to say the least.
I'm happy to say the ref did not directly cost us the game. It's right the players and coaching should be held up for letting it get away. But let's not kid ourselves that, as per usual, we've been made to put up with some shoddy refereeing. Two poor sides but a poor ref too. Well worth the admission!
Consider the fact that while we were a long way from our best we nudged ahead after the break and then with the momentum looked like we might assert our superiority. Then because of some shoddy and inconsistent ref calls (at the key part of the second half) we faced four sets attacking our own line, followed by several other sets in a similar position and did not concede a point. When we then broke up field and got a highly dubious try to go 8 points up I thought we'd weathered the storm and earned our luck. It turns out I was quite wrong.
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| Quote ="aspouea"Actually Alibert tends to mark 12 metres and then won't penalise those standing in front. It was evident from the Wigan game this year. Everyone was calling 'they're standing in front of you' but they were actually 10 metres back. What people seemed to be missing was the amount of 'turtling' that the Wigan players were doing on ours. We could have had penalties on every tackle that night, and it's been a constant issue with just about every visiting team - and taken to extremes by Huddersfield. Yet the refs just let it continue.
As for Saturday I don't think anybody left the ground with anything other than contempt for the player's effort for MOST of the game - particularly at the end of each half and throughout most of the first. But had such a ludicrous surrender of position not taken place we'd have had plenty to complain about from Mr Halibut. I honestly can't fathom how people on here can point to just one mistake! Three of Salfords tries and one of ours should never have been given and will somebody sit Halibut down and explain the difference between forward and backward. The fact that BOTH sets of fans were chanting 'you don't know what you're doing' and 'cheat' suggest that several if not many of the calls he made were dodgy to say the least.
I'm happy to say the ref did not directly cost us the game. It's right the players and coaching should be held up for letting it get away. But let's not kid ourselves that, as per usual, we've been made to put up with some shoddy refereeing. Two poor sides but a poor ref too. Well worth the admission!
Consider the fact that while we were a long way from our best we nudged ahead after the break and then with the momentum looked like we might assert our superiority. Then because of some shoddy and inconsistent ref calls (at the key part of the second half) we faced four sets attacking our own line, followed by several other sets in a similar position and did not concede a point. When we then broke up field and got a highly dubious try to go 8 points up I thought we'd weathered the storm and earned our luck. It turns out I was quite wrong.'"
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| I have to agree with a lot thats been said here about the team and the ref on saturday. But i wll add this about one of the Salford trys in the first half. It was the in goal touch judge that worried me. I'm lucky enough to be able to sit in the LV Stand in the Disabled Balcony,so had a good view of the first try. I couldnt believe he gave the try when a Quins player (i think it was Melling) had grounded the ball,but it popped out and Wilshire dived on it, he just nodded at the ref it was a try when IMO he was in a postion to see that Melling had grounded it first. The other thing was in the second half,we had kicked the ball though and was looking like it was going to go dead from in the in goal area, but it took a little bounce and the Salford player caught with his boot and kicked it out,but the same touch judge who again IMO had a clean view of that just pointed to a 20 metre restart. Im not trying to made excuses as all in all the team were bad on Saturday,but these two incidents could have made a little different to the out come of the game.
The teams energy levels sure look down, so does make you wonder just what they doing in training and are they being flogged to much at this end of the season. the most worring thing is what nearly everyone is saying here, is the lack of ideas in the 10/20 metres and attack. I think we tried one high ball to the corner on saturday,when other teams have kicked more then a few to Wilshire on the wing or when at FB as they felt hes a bit weak under it. as for grubbers all i can see is when someone has the nerve in our team to try it all they do is kick it against the other teams players legs.
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| Quote ="Tre Cool"What a load of rubbish, typical London RL 'fan'. Any excuse to quit supporting the club. Pro sport's an up and down thing. The last couple of months have been sh** so lets all burn our season tickets
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The idea of travelling from Sheffield for 50% of the home games at huge time/financial cost to me to watch a team coached by Brian McDermott does not appeal to me in the slightest I am afraid.
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| Oh and after seeing the highlights alanw is right, Melling clearly touched it down first.
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| Quote ="mickyb1234"
Players seem very demotivated? (Coach? fatigue? who knows)'"
Maybe if you had 5 more players in the squad able to come in and pick up the slack you'd be okay. I'm no expert on the dirty quinze but I definately get the feal that you are a bit squad light.
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