Cant wait to hear NB defence of this woeful referee

What are you complain about?

If you need me to explain then you are a worse ref than Childs

2 shoulder charges one late the other he was committed, that's why one was yellow. The bit on summut need to watch again, the rest has all our own doing, nowt to do with the ref

Of course I am a worse ref than child's if j wasn't I would be on the elite list.
So what's the gripe

Reality is we are on the back foot, we are not controlling the ptb, that leads to penalties simple! Widnes are winningbtte ruck in defence and attack, we have not earned one penalty yet.
How come yr not singing the praises of the vid ref

Some refereeing consistency might be nice!
Vid ref has done his job- the Tories chalked off were rightly chalked off.

Consistency!

What has not been consistent

2 shoulder charges one was late 2 different offences how is it inconsistent

That last penalty was classic, it's not the refs fault it's the players

So when the vid refs give decisions in our favour, he is simply doing his job, whenbtgey give decisions we don't like they are crap! Speaks volumes rsally

Still not heard how he us bbeing incosistant.

So ref has done exactly to Widnes as what he did to us!!!!!! Looks pretty consistent in my eye

I dont think the ref was too bad and I am not a ref lover. However I agree a shoulder charge is a shoulder charge and both should have been treated the same.

What about the blatant stamp from White on Barthau?
That resulted in penalty for Widnes.... Bizarre!

No it isn't, don't be such a wind up artist. Let's take the late challenges using the shoulder shall we? There's gets us a penalty, ours sees a bloke in the sin bin - consistent ? No it bloody isn't.
Childs has always been inconsistent, and today was no exception.

And what about the stamp on Barthau ?
How would you like to support the ref's blind spot on that one?

PS I'd only mentioned the video ref to show I haven't got a downer on refs in general as the VR was correct - and also in giving a try against us and chalking one of ours off2nd half.
So what does that speak volumes about then?

Ref was fine. Errors - naturally - but no shockers.

Bigger problem was the size of our starting middle unit and the length of time Hendo held back his bigger men. Battle, Ioane and Davis are too small a unit at a higher level.

I wish Mellor would get a chance at rep level.

Disappointed, we let ourselves down badly, we can't get away with slowing the game down, while some of Widnes bully forwards really conned Childs at times!

This one big game the stupid comment from Betts how not one London player would make his side riled me and I though it would have done the same for our young players, but we gave away some silly penalties letting them make ground, and their brute force at times worked near the line and we looked open.

Really thought as I drove over to Widnes today we stood a chance, but not to be for another season.

Colly2. You have it spot on

Again we list that game!!!! Why do we give so many penalties away in a game nothing at all to do with the ref, but down to the fact we always end up defending inn the back foot so get pinged for holding down offside and high shots are the result of being off balance going backwards in the tackle. Difference between the 2 shoulder charges one was seen as just that,the other was seen as late.
We play silly rugby with needless penalties.
In attack we generally end up being dominated, you will never win a penalty from that!!!!
Saying the ref was inconsistent is clutching at straws for a poor performance

NB, I'll take issue with the Refs are innocent aspect. Nothing specific about today's game as didn't see it. However Yes they give what they see, I just wonder if they are just like the players and switch off sometimes. Also just like players they are inconsistent in interpretation. Quite a few examples recently in terms of lying on and what is acceptable for team A while team B is allowed slightly less leeway. We tend to be team B patrticularly when we do start to dominate.

Obviously this isn't all the time but it happens. And yes sometimes they do guess. In a game I'll make an assertion the Ref is wrong (loudly for effect) but privately I'll admit they are right most of the time. However I do believe we get less of the rub of the green.

In the wider world the linesman (refs assistant) whatever they are called nowadays, fact they use comms rather than signals doesn't help the world. In the good ole days you could see the touchy making their point. Nowadays it's a quiet word in the ear that is either agreed or ignored. Problem is fans can't see it. The immediate impact is the refs team are ignoring things, yet in reality they aren't.

I do think and this is more in the last few years we have been poor in tackle technique and dominating it thus ending up slowing things down. However even when competent (those years are getting distant) we got pinged. We do over the last 20 years in SL (probably more) end up on the wrong end of the count. That has been proven and guess what we've had some experienced teams out there over that time frame who aren't slow to get off etc.. Is it a southern culture at the club or just how we are treated as an outsider? Strangely Catalan suffer similarly.

Oh and suggesting one shoulder charge was seen as that and one wasn't is perhaps a point about interpretation. It doesn't actually matter whether the interpretation is correct but that it is an interpretation. It remains open to debate.

SR can't disagree with any of yr points. Late hit on a player it's not interpretation it's a judgement call. In the refs view could the player have pulled out, in child's view the second one he could have hence it being seen as late. Without doubt both were shoulder charges.
Comms actually makes it easier for the team, ref can keep his eyes on play rather than having to look towards his touchline for the signal.
And actually I am the same as you, I do shout encouragement to the ref when I am a fan, obviously when I am somewhere that no one knows me

The difference between comms and signals, is if the TJ calls fwd pass and the ref is happy it wasn't, it just gives spectators ammunition to abuse the TJ

I look forward to seeing how Toronto are refereed next season. They are intentionally a physical team. They use all the tricks both fair and unfair. Look at Jack Bussey, what a dirty player he has been become. The pressure will been the referees to perform. Toronto cannot be allowed to get away with things that others are not.