Well, only the fact that fans with London Post Codes, applied in the greatest number for tickets in the first RLWC 2021 ballot.

Means nothing if they dont lend support to the local teams playing in London

1. there are large swathes of the population who will gladly pay good money to attend internationals, in every sport, but never go near club games

2. the Broncos don't exactly go out of their way to tell people they exist, do they?

I have to agree Nadera78. A sign outside the church and ads on back of the bus. Not much effort is it.
I have a customer who's son lives in Ealing. The Son who used to watch The Broncos at Charlton as a kid, had no idea that we played in Ealing until I told him.
He actually went to the HKR game last season, because I saw him there.
The club are no good at selling themselves. They do not really market the fans that they already have.
I would think that a survey of where Broncos match day fans travel from, would show very few locals and that home fans travel quite some distance to attend games. I know plenty who do.

Think you are correct Bosty. Sure i saw figures a few years back that showed Broncos fans travel further to home games than their northern counterparts did to get to away games.

Also previously didn't Sky reveal that the bulk of their viewing figures for RL are based in the South East?

Having London in SL would add credibility to the wider sporting public that Castleford, Wakefield or Salford never will. But it does need a successful London for SL to get the biggest benefit. Doubt there is the wisdom or desire amongst the RFL or club Owners to allow that to happen.

Couldn’t we get the details of the RFL and reach out to them or ask the RFL to promote the club.

i've emailed them about this

There might be GDPR issues with that. It's not my area but I know you have to be careful in sharing people's details with other organisations.

The sky viewing figures are pretty irrelevent to the arguement. Put money on it the folk that are watching RL on sky in the south are those saints, wigan, leeds, cas, fans etc that live down south. Those folk tend to come to watch London broncos once only in a season.
They are never going to flock to london as proven already

 there are large swathes of the population who will gladly pay good money to attend internationals, in every sport, but never go near club games

Which supports my comment that where ticket sales for WC have come from is irrelevent if they dont watch club rugby.

All those expat northerners down here know exactky who London Broncos are.
All the expat aussies if they are NSW or QLD generally dont care about SL never mind London broncos, but will go watch the aus national team playing in any sport.

When the club was owned by the Aussies they worked hard at promotion. There were vouchers in The Sun Newspaper giving five pound entry, A competition to win a Ford Fiesta. They has a Creche, Numerous giveaways, regular items in The London Evening Standard. They worked at it.
Now bearing in mind Rugby League was somewhat alien to the population of South East London. At Charlton in 1996,The Broncos
had the sixth largest average attendance of all the clubs in SL that season. 5699. FACT.
Just hoping fans will turn up does not work.

This is just utter nonsense.

Once again NB misses the point. Can't be asked to explain it to him.

See the monkey has resurfaced.

You're right about long journeys to home games. 90 minutes drive or 2 hours on the train for me from just outside Southend.

People I know travel from afar for home games, Southampton, Wakefield, Liverpool, Chelmsford, Peterborough, Ashford Kent, Newport. My journey is a 120 mile round trip from Kent.
Bradford fans complain about going to Dewsbury.

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To be fair, i'd complain about going to Dewsbury.

For many seasons I traveled from St Helens home and away, only usually missing one game in France, even night matches, and used to take in as many academy games when played on a Saturday.

Have not missed the point at all.
Sky viewing figures for SL are higher in South than the north! Thats without a London based SL team!
Ballot tickets for rlwc are apparently high percentage of southern based folk despite no london team in SL.
Would either of these numbers be higher witj a team in SL? No evidence for that.
Lets not forget broncos have had 40 plus years to make a mark for the sport in London.
Current evidence viewing figures ticket sales currently show it makes no difference if there is a SL presence or not.
There is no denying the few fans left tend to travel further than the majority of RL M62 fans to get to home games not sure why thats significant in the numbers that come through the gate.

The sky viewing figures are pretty irrelevent to the arguement. Put money on it the folk that are watching RL on sky in the south are those saints, wigan, leeds, cas, fans etc that live down south. Those folk tend to come to watch London broncos once only in a season.
They are never going to flock to london as proven already


This is just utter nonsense.

Why is it utter nonsense? Do you honestly think there are hordes of people watching rugby league on sky that are not already rugby league fans?
If so then think you have it very wrong! Look at why folk pay for sky sports, to watch the sport they love, not some other random sports.

So in 96 which i think was used as the example. Free tickets through the red top. Tickets for a fiver, kids get in free, free entry for folk playing in the locallity, incentives like a raffle. (Sounds very similar to a certain NAmerican club)
One day you have to stop giving it away and see how many keep coming and paying for the privilage. If those folk dont keep coming then you have to ask why?
So why did they stop coming?

I certainly complain about that pub near the ground with the miserable landlady. The Royal Oak.

Well NB, I started following the Broncos in 1996. We are still going, however now, we are three generations that go.
What is more, we pay to go, unlike you !
I will add, I see people at Trailfinders who I recognise or know from the days at the Valley.

This is true BUT the RFL could have asked as part of the application for WC tickets if people we’re happy to share their details with RL clubs.

Let’s assume there are 50,000 applications for tickets and 20% come from the south east, and of those 10,000 10% said it was okay to share their data (possible that might have been a higher percentage) that would have given the Broncos 1,000 people to target. It don’t sound a lot but I think potentially it is invaluable. Even 10% of that potential number attended Bincos home games is a extra 100 people on the gate. At £20 a head over 13 games that is £26k a year which at our level is one excellent player. It doesn’t sound much but it is.

And all of this would have virtually cost the RFL nothing!

At the same time who at the Broncos has approached the RFL to ask them to ask for permission to share this data?

For me the RFL are poor to not push the Broncos, but the Broncos themselves are at fault too to not advertise themselves too.

Gretofax (wrong spelling I know) or whatever his/her current psnonim is had it right for me London has to sell it’s self first.

PS I think this thread is one of the best I have read for a while.

No mate, you're the one claiming that the people in southern England who watch SL on Sky are exiled northerners. Your claim. Not mine. Nor anyone else's. So back it up.

Shouldn't think he can Nadera as per usual.