Any news?

Not good DH confirmed that he intended to at the end of the franchise.
That said he was hopeful that a could be found for the club before then


is expected to be out for rest of the season and refused to comment that Quins had accepted an offer for from who has already indicated he wanted to be closer to his.

Eh !?! Are we supposed to fill in gaps or is this a wind up ?

Sell buyer BJB BMcD ? ? family

I think we can safely assume the latter.

....not a very good one either

It was very good and informative thanks

To be honest the info given out at fans forums tends to be a load of rubbish to shut up the fans that have nothing better to do than attend these kind of events

....tease


Looking forward to hearing what the club have to say regarding a number of issues........including my favourite topic.

Posters and roundabout flowers

The Rinaldi roundabout in Wakefield anyone?

Oooh....because the massive marketing campaign has been so successful this year

Oyster wallets and unseen virals are sooooooooo much better than anything gutterfax could come up with!

I still wager that 99% of the borough don't know we exist....but hey, we've won 2 league games in god knows how many and our gates are down so let's all cheer....hurrah hurrah!

Are you back in the old Dart - I presume so as the postings now occur during the day. Please change the bloody record. All of us and the club knows there is an issue, they have spent more money on marketing so far this season than all of last. The fact that you don't agree with some of their methods is neither here nor there.

There was a general consencus last night that without a team performing well at home, not necessarily winning but having close exciting defeats rather than the blow outs we have had you could spend £1,000,000 on marketing with the best marketing brains in the business and it wouldn't make a damn bit of difference.

Now when's the plane back to the land of the long white cloud?

No...I am still in NZ.
Yes....I do go on a bit.
.........and as for spending more on marketing than previous years........why bother.......they are 400 odd down a game and even if we hammered Hull, Cas, and eveyone else in the next 6 weeks do you really believe they (the club) would get it right?
I am still a fan, I still pay for replica jerseys (when available) and I will still ask the same friggin questions until the club give a straight answer. You carry on being an apologist.....I respect you passion for the club, but you have no idea how close they are to going the same way as 2005 again.....but hey, we beat wigan and wakefield so that's OK.

I suggest that if a couple of sausage rolls and a pint of ESB is all it takes to convince you everything is OK in TW2 then you should think again.

Lastly...general consencus that why bother when the team are crap

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rule #1 in sales.
BAD SALES PEOPLE WILL ALWAYS MAKE EXCUSES.
We weren't crap immediately....they spent money on their MASSIVE campaign for the first 3 home games........and we ended up with less fans against the same teams last year......general consencus my @rse

and as for £1,000,000 on marketing, I'd rather they flushed it down the drain trying as against flushing 30k A WEEK of DH's money down the drain on god knows what.

so....to answer my original question, sweet fanny adams is what came out of the forum

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If its not daffodils in Twickenham roundabouts and posters in the train station its not marketing.

The first 3 games of the season followed closely on a 13 game losing streak including the painful debacles of Salford and Cas. Of course it was going to be difficult to sell the product- Fans enjoy success and can be fickle.

Now then what do I want on my posters-tickets please

ps Go on a bit-that is an undertstatement

There were no sausage rolls and I don't think everything is rosy and I don't beleive I am an apologist. Facts is facts "Even offering to pay for a column in the Evening Stanadard or the Matro - they are not interested".

Yes ... you do go on a bit - No you actually go on quite a lot.

I understand that there are settings on here to elimnate certain posters posts appearing whne you log in - must find out how it works unless you are going to come up with something new.

So could someone tell us what was said last night, please.

Wasn't taking notes but what I remember

1. DH happy to keep funding club and will keep working to make the money required. £1.5 million loss last year covered by DH. Will be more this year.

2. IL still owns 65% of club. Not putting anything in. Has not disposed of shares nor does it appear likely in short term. RFL know situation. Given losses no one wants to invest not helped by recession. no one gains tax breaks from this situation.

3. Club happy to talk to supporters re squadbuilder/trust

4. Three times the resources put into marketing, particularly aimed locally and at Antipodeans. Will now concentrate more on community game now season started. Historic database poor, but extensive follow up based on Ausv. NZ game last year. Results negligable and PB feels as a market they are just not interested in SL. Feels progress has been made elsewhere but it is tough and home form of team doesn't help. have followed up non renewals, but no specific trend as to why appeared.

5. Relationship with Quins RU improving. We do pay rent but feel it is generous towards us. Mark Evans attended board meeting before forum.

6. PB and DH have spoken to Richard Lewis about promoting game in London. They feel (as does Mac) that it is not fair that all promotion and development down to Quins. RFL have helped France and Wales and should provide simiar help to London. RFL now more aware of problems particularly as they failed to sell 15,000 tickets for Challenge Cup final last year.

7. Media coverage harder to get as papers now often using agency reporters than own staff. London Press pushing more and more to lowest common denominator - ie nothing but football. RFL offered to fund columns in Metro and Standard, but they are not interested.

8. DH believes we should get a licence. Crowds a worry but not the issue some professional northen loudmouths (one named) make out in greater scheme. Sky wants a spread of clubs including Wales and London.

9. No spare funds for midterm signings. Robinson and Wells still had to be paid. Matt James wasn't on much. No one out there to purchase and if any were they would be overpriced.

10. Penny here in shortterm but finances may not allow season long loan.

11. BJB out for minimum of four weeks. He will definitely return to leeds next year. Mac praises him and particularly his defence.

12. Club confident about juniors. U20s struggling but good prospects in U18s and particularly U16s. Mac feels "skill" players are beginning to be produced, which is a great improvement in the time he has been at the club.

13. Mac has discussed penalties awarded with Stuart Cummings. No question of bias from refs, but it is felt they are intimidated into decisions by larger crowds. Purdo confirms easier for team to get up for game before big crowd.

14. Felt double header worked. Impressive crowd noise in comparison to RU. Worth doing again.

15. Mac thanked fans for support and says effort of our fans impresses players.

16. Club surprised at turnout. Further forum to be held at a larger location before end of season.

If I've left anything out it was because I was distracted by the arome of sausage rolls at that point.

All in all as an event thought it was interesting and helpful for the fans. DH and PB were both very open (and impressive in what they said imo). I feel it might be improved if there is a moderator there in future (Chris Warren?) with each of main table providing a short update before going straight into questions. must note that all three participents plus Gerry Bouman, Purdo, Chad and Luke Dorn were all still there chatting with fans when I left at ten, so thanks to them for giving up their evenings.

Thanks Taff, good summup.

Here, here.

Thank you - quite informative as these things go and I'm a bit happier now. On a general note, 15k unsold Cup Final tickets is pretty bad - how about going back to Cardiff [size=50(this has nothing to do with where i live).[/size

One other thing, someone pointed out that Mac was favourite for the Bulls job. Mac stayed silent on the subject and DH said Bulls hadn't approached us and that BM was contracted to 2011.

It was a good evening and good effort by Purdo, Dorn and Chad to give up their time.

PS Not sure I was convinced that the refs don't have it in for us. Four years worth of having such few pens awarded does make you suspicious (or maybe just paranoid.)

I know GF has commented on this, but who actually said that?

Pretty dismal reading that by all accounts.

Disappointed to see comments about Penny. With him in the team I feel he would make us more competitive and consequently better results would pay his salary.
Any fans out there with a few bob to sponsor him?

Thank you Sarf Essex Taff for taking the time to write it up — it is much appreciated by those who couldn't attend and contrary to popular belief I do think that you can get some good bits of information out of the forums.

Still it's a fairly depressing, picture painted. That said I'd rather know the truth than a lot of spin, which to me is what it sounds like you got (the truth).
No money (1, 2)
No money for signings (3, 9, 10)
No money for loan signings (9, 10)
Money for marketing, but it's not working as well as hoped (4)
No assistance from the RFL with marketing (6)
No help from the media (7)
RFL appointed referees still useless, Cummings not interested (13)