I will ask again -how far is Charlton from Twickenham and at what point does it become a farce

Your words not mine

I'd suggest it becomes a farce when a team gains a point in the franchise applications for being miles from the heartlands and then moves 32 miles from the heartlands.

I'd like to make it clear I wish Welsh RL no ill will. I used to watch Prescot Panthers and have fond memories of watching South Wales v Prescot both at Cardiff and Prescot, despite living in London at the time. I've also watched the Welsh conference play offs a fair few times living reasonably close to Wales these days (Bridgend Blue Bulls v Newport was a fantastic game.) I suspect that if Welsh RL has a future, and I hope it does, then it lies with the new South Wales team and not Crusaders. As a RL fan I hope I am wrong.

Why do you suspect that?

Im all for expansion and hope both teams work.

I hope both teams work too. I wouldn't want any team to fail irrespective of whether or not they are expansion teams due to the impact on fans, officials, players etc. We're talking about peoples livings when all is said and done.

I think the future for Welsh RL is based around the South Wales club as they will be able to tap into the youth development work that has occurred to date. For the first few years at least I'd expect Crusaders to utilise youth players predominantly from north west England. (They probably won't have much option as there's not a lot of youth RL in North Wales.) That gives South Wales the change to grow more naturally from the base up and find a suitable level for their finances etc.

The people behind Crusaders have made statements suggesting that they view this as a way of assisting Wrexham FC. We all know that David Hughes effectively keeps this club afloat and we've had a few years to grow a crowd base etc. I'm just not sure that you can transplant a team into a new area and hit the ground running financially.

Incidentally a friend of mine, a long standing Wire fan, lives in Wrexham and regularly watched Celtic. He knows many of those behind South Wales RLFC and some of the South Wales based ex Broncos fans are back involved behind the scenes.

Prince of Denmark, How do you work out the wild claim "they lied" Who? Let's look at the facts, Samuels the owner of Celtic Crusaders invested a lot of money into the club and for the launch into Superleague. At that time he did not know of the financial crisis that was to hit us, it affected his company severely, so he had to put his hands up and try and sell the club to ensure its survival.

Yes it would have been ideal if someone in South Wales had come along, but they didn't, so no way can you call the consortium a farce, when they saved the club, but having the Racecourse Ground they choose to re-locate, it was always in the plan to play games in North Wales and Wrexham.

If it was a Farce, do you remember a certain club called Hull, purchasing Gateshead and their Superleague franchise? I do not remember there being such an emotional attack on them at the time?

I have found it sad this year with supporters of such a Leigh crying each week fowl in the rugby press, when they are clearly not ready for Superleague and some Widnes fans as well, but at least the Chairman of Widnes has shown others an example by just getting on with the job to ensure they are ready at the next franchise application period.

As I have said your claims seem very emotional, as I stated many Northern supporters feel the same way about us at Quins RL, as they say "People in Glass Houses, Shouldn't Shrow Stones" Lets make sure our own Club Quins RL is ready for the next franchise application period, we are not guranteed never mind Crusaders!