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| Can't believe that no-one's commented on the fact that, yet again, 3 tries scored out wide on Sunday. And where was David Hodgson one might ask?
Answer: nowhere to be seen!
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| Maybe because two of them were scored down golden boys side. With one of them he was well out of position and with the other from Herbert a lack of concentration and effort to knock the ball dead.
But scoring two and letting two in is only a criticism when you are DH.
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| Firstly only one try was scored down ,as you say GOLDEN BOYS side and the other one was more towards the posts where he was the only one trying to get to the ball.you good ask where grix was?
watch the trys back and you will see! the lad never gives up.
If dodgy was playing Bradford would have scored a few more end of. open your eyes people simpson and mcgillvary are better to have in the team.
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| Quote ="giantk"Firstly only one try was scored down ,as you say GOLDEN BOYS side and the other one was more towards the posts where he was the only one trying to get to the ball.you good ask where grix was?
watch the trys back and you will see! the lad never gives up.
If dodgy was playing Bradford would have scored a few more end of. open your eyes people simpson and mcgillvary are better to have in the team.'"
Think at this point Grix and Simpson were switching position, if you look later on Simpson moved to full-back and I think they swapped around this point. There was no one at home so the little chip through worked nicely.
There seems to be too much negativity around our edge players at the moment in particular David Hodgson. I'm going to focus on a positive. For once we have a nice choice of players for our back line, not only that but I thought Simpson gave a very good account of himself on Sunday, although one try was scored on his side it was a two on one and in those cases 90% of tries get scored and it doesn't matter which side it is on - if the wing man is isolated he is done! He did however earlier on close down what was going to become a two on one very swiftly which was nice to see.
Personally I would like to see Hodgson back on the wing with Simpson in the centre, I think Bruno is a fantastic player but he doesn't yet seem to be hitting the form he has shown us previously.
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| Quote If dodgy was playing Bradford would have scored a few more end of. open your eyes people simpson and mcgillvary are better to have in the team.'"
it's not often i disagree with people's opinions on here but i have to say,this is the most ludicrous post i've seen on here for a long time!
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| your not wrong meast
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| and i agree too !
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| i must be,cos a bloke who has played 1 game is supposedly better than a guy who has played at the top level for a decade,represented his country,consistently top try scorer for some of the top clubs in the game,and has been a regular and consistent try scorer for the top team in England
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| And me!
Players may not impress you but definitely do not need slagging off like this. Dodgy is a England international how can he be slagged off like this. Okay I'll admit it I'm not dodgy's number 1 fan but he plays consistently and is a very good winger.
Simpson will definitely progress and will do brill with the giants but cannot be classed as better than dodgy after 1 game.
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| You know my opinions on the matter.
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| I dont think people as slagging off Hodgy just airing their opinions.
Is this allowed on a public forum?
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| Quote If dodgy was playing Bradford would have scored a few more end of. '"
No they're not slagging off Hodgy are they. Oh no. Not at all. Because that quoted post is clearly a well thought out, reasoned post filled with a high level of justification that simply cannot be countered.
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| So what your saying is because someones opinion differs from someone elses they cant say it because it is clearly wrong?
As I've mentioned before I rate Hodgy for his attacking play but defensivley I dont think he's our best option. He gets caught out of position far to often and under the high ball he lacks confidence. I can bearly watch when a bomb goes up towards him!
To quote Meast "like has been said many times on the subject,people who understand the game of rugby league will appreciate what david hodgson does on the field". I've been watching the game over 20 years and consider myself to know the game. I can form an opinion having watched hodgson since he signed for the club. I'm undecided on Jamie Simpson so until he's had some game time I wont be calling for him to replace Hodgy. With all fit and available options I'd like to see Grix - McGillvary - Gilmour - Lawrence - Cudjoe as our back line.
Just my opinion but hey....what do I know?
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| I think the problem with Hodgy is he isn't what people would call a flair player and maybe thats what they expect wingers to be !!
In football Gary Lineker wasn't as exciting to watch as say Peter Beardsley but he scored more goals because he had a knack of being in the right place at the right time which is what Hodgy does.
With all his experience and know how i would always have him in my team !
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| Not at all.
A wingers main job is to score tries. No-one is doubting his ability to score tries and his recent record shows he knows where the try line is!
But you also have to be strong defensivley and you usually find your weaker defensive players play on the fringes and out wide. Hence why teams will target half backs (when running the ball) and wingers (with kicks).
Are you telling me hand on heart that when a high kick gets put up to hodgson, or when you have a situation within our own 10m where the ball is moved across the line towards that wing that you dont think "oh sh*t"! It could be a case that the centre isnt doing his job in protecting his winger with the high kick or that the centre is getting sucked in field and leaving hodgson exposed. But considering the centre has been Gilmour, who himself is a former internation player and one player I rate very highly defensivley, I can't see this being the case.
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| Quote ="PBGIANT" but hey....what do I know?'"
Exactly, you're a ref!!!
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| Quote ="PBGIANT"Not at all.
A wingers main job is to score tries. No-one is doubting his ability to score tries and his recent record shows he knows where the try line is!
But you also have to be strong defensivley and you usually find your weaker defensive players play on the fringes and out wide. Hence why teams will target half backs (when running the ball) and wingers (with kicks).
Are you telling me hand on heart that when a high kick gets put up to hodgson, or when you have a situation within our own 10m where the ball is moved across the line towards that wing that you dont think "oh sh*t"! It could be a case that the centre isnt doing his job in protecting his winger with the high kick or that the centre is getting sucked in field and leaving hodgson exposed. But considering the centre has been Gilmour, who himself is a former internation player and one player I rate very highly defensivley, I can't see this being the case.'"
Not at all, no more so with Hodgy than if a high kick went up towards any of our players or if the opposition move play out to either of our wings - all players drop the ball at somepoint,all players miss tackels that allow the opposition to score...........the points some on here seem to want to make is that Hodgson drops EVERY ball and misses EVERY tackle he attempts.
and Dave's right ..your a Ref what do you know
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| Quote ="PBGIANT"So what your saying is because someones opinion differs from someone elses they cant say it because it is clearly wrong?
As I've mentioned before I rate Hodgy for his attacking play but defensivley I dont think he's our best option. He gets caught out of position far to often and under the high ball he lacks confidence. I can bearly watch when a bomb goes up towards him!
To quote Meast "like has been said many times on the subject,people who understand the game of rugby league will appreciate what david hodgson does on the field". I've been watching the game over 20 years and consider myself to know the game. I can form an opinion having watched hodgson since he signed for the club. I'm undecided on Jamie Simpson so until he's had some game time I wont be calling for him to replace Hodgy. With all fit and available options I'd like to see Grix - McGillvary - Gilmour - Lawrence - Cudjoe as our back line.
Just my opinion but hey....what do I know?'"
No, that's not what I am saying. What I'm saying is the comment like the one I quoted is a complete waste of bandwidth because it has no justifcation to it. Stating what you think and then finishing with "end of" is basically as admission that you don't know what you're on about IMO. If someone wants to say they think Hodgy is particularly weak under the high ball, which incidentally I disagree with, then at least you're justifying the opinion.
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| Quote ="Danril"No they're not slagging off Hodgy are they. Oh no. Not at all. Because that quoted post is clearly a well thought out, reasoned post filled with a high level of justification that simply cannot be countered.'"
There is a balance to be drawn between peoples opinions and reasoned arguements. I dont agree with some of our posters about Hodgy and actually think his defence is prety good.
Unfortunately we have to accept that some of our fans are more critical than others.
It is the nature of Rl fans in general and some of our fans specifically to be critical of certain players. It would not be normal without some of the fans looking for a scapegoat.
ATEOTD Nathan Brown picks the team and he knows what he is doing. IF Hodgson is picked then it is the right decision. If he is not picked it is the right decision.
Stick to the reasoned, informed and logical arguements as that is our view. Others may have a different view, all are acceptable on here because at the end of the day it is all fluff and nonsense and the only persons opinion that counts is Nathan Brown.
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| Quote ="Durham Giant"
ATEOTD Nathan Brown picks the team and he knows what he is doing. IF Hodgson is picked then it is the right decision. If he is not picked it is the right decision.
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I'm not altogether sure about that viewpoint. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of NB, but he can make errors of judgement too. He's only human. Was he right to stand down the majority of the first team v Saints the week before the Challenge Cup Final? I'm not so sure. He is fallible just like the rest of us.
Back on topic, Hodgy has been good for us overall, and he USUALLY steps his game up v Wigan. I think he should play Friday. He knows the plays etc, Simmo is still settling in.
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| Quote ="fartownfan"I'm not altogether sure about that viewpoint. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of NB, but he can make errors of judgement too. He's only human. Was he right to stand down the majority of the first team v Saints the week before the Challenge Cup Final? I'm not so sure. He is fallible just like the rest of us.
Back on topic, Hodgy has been good for us overall, and he USUALLY steps his game up v Wigan. I think he should play Friday. He knows the plays etc, Simmo is still settling in.'"
But it has to be right because he makes decisons in full knowledge of the facts, and has far more information at hand than anyone on this board. Indeed if everyone on this board said that NB was wrong i would still side with him,
WHY ,
Because he is the coach and knows what he is doing whilst we are here just to give our opinion in selecting a team NB will do the following
Viewed the opponents games and analyzed their strengths and weaknesses
Know his players strengths and weaknesses
Know their state of minds
Know their injury, fitness and motivation levels
analyzed his players performaces on FACTS not opinions, he will know if Hodgson is a weak link in defence or not
he will compare his options and then make a decision.
Make game plans on how to win and choose the personnel on how to win
Make decisions based on a longer term plan which is to win a trophy at the END OF THE SEASON. that may mean making some sacrifices now for longer term benefit even if it means we accept a decision or gamble does not pay off.
Not one person on here has the knowledge to inform any of these decisions therefore as he is =#FF0000our coach every decision that he makes is the right one unless you want all decisions to be based on hindsight
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| Quote ="PBGIANT":2m3p1x0oSo what your saying is because someones opinion differs from someone elses they cant say it because it is clearly wrong?
As I've mentioned before I rate Hodgy for his attacking play but defensivley I dont think he's our best option. He gets caught out of position far to often and under the high ball he lacks confidence. I can bearly watch when a bomb goes up towards him!
To quote Meast "like has been said many times on the subject,people who understand the game of rugby league will appreciate what david hodgson does on the field". I've been watching the game over 20 years and consider myself to know the game. I can form an opinion having watched hodgson since he signed for the club. I'm undecided on Jamie Simpson so until he's had some game time I wont be calling for him to replace Hodgy. With all fit and available options I'd like to see Grix - McGillvary - Gilmour - Lawrence -
Cudjoe as our back line. '"
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