I personally don't have a problem about standing or not but wouldn't want to be standing in there, you'll get pi$$ed wet through

mind you no different to going to Odsal each year

I think they're on about converting the FM Lower into Rail Seats. Mr Hoyle is apparently in favour - Rail Seats are from Germany and they feature variations between Standing and Seating, which can be locked.



Surely if the cost was split it might allow cheaper tickets - if HGRL really didn't want to have it, they can just remain as seats.

I don't see why we should pay for something the football side want. Standing areas have been out into some stadia such as Warrington partly because it's cheaper- and now Hoyle wants to pay more for it! Well let football pay! As I said the money could be much better spent.

Given the choice, I prefer to stand. As mentioned above, I'm not convinced that you could install rail seating at the John McAlpharm given it was designed from the outset as an all-seater. I think the stands are raked too shallow to make it work properly.

Some of the grounds converted to all-seater from terracing simply whacked seats where none existed previously. The Kop at Liverpool, for instance, is one such and the legroom is tiny. Going to a rail seating system there would be easy. I don't think it'd work the other way round. So yes, places like Old Trafford, Villa Park, Parkhead etc, who have all expressed an interest, would be ideal for it. Huddersfield, Hull, Bolton etc, probably not so much.

Having purchased a season ticket in the Fantastic Media stand I will not be happy if people are given the option to stand. If the club is even considering this then they need to consult with the fans who have already purchased season tickets in the the potentially affected area.

Again as the north end was designed for the purpose of the multi use of the stadium ie concerts, the north lower has always been temporary seating which can be taken down easily for building of a stage which is also why the North upper is so tall for the purpose of rigging and acoustics. The Temporary seating is also 2 foot in front of the permanent stand to allow light into the gym behind. Many could say we'll never get concerts again anyway but to eradicate this entirely wouldn't help the stadium in the long run.
Just because they have it in Germany doesn't mean it's what we should have. I only stand if the price is cheaper. prefer to sit as I hate it when you get a decent spot and someone much taller than you stands right in front of you!! And looking at that pic of rail seating suggests you have restricted viewing when it's converted to seats so I'm still not convinced!!! And how many times would it be exclusive seating?? Once installed after a large outlay they'd want as much money as they could get so it'd rarely be used as seating!!

I grew up watching sport on terraces ( Hillsborough and Fartown)and even now i still prefer standing up to watch games rather than sitting down, saying that i wouldn't be bothered either way. The atmosphere where there is standing available will always be better than seating its just how it has always been.

I don't agree the atmosphere is better standing. I suppose it depends what you class as atmosphere though.

In 20 years I have yet to come across one solitary person who said "I'd go watch Town/Fartown but the lack of anywhere to stand for the duration of the match is really putting me off". Unless there is an untapped resource of pile sufferers that are itching to come to matches but can't sit on hard plastic seats then the need to install a standing area seems to me to be equally non-existant.

I also agree with Jools, standing or sitting has no bearing whatsoever on atmosphere. There is often a very good atmosphere in the Riverside stand on a match day but this seems to be largely dependant on opposition, weather, team performance etc than whether the people are sitting or standing.

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Or is he just making the right noises to keep the fans on side?

If safe standing does go ahead i will start a campaign for a little snack bar selling soup out of polystyrene cups for 30p .......lets bring back the good(bad) old days

And seabrooks. Beefy or Cheese And Onion. And a supporters club.

I gave my season ticket away the season before last because I was told I had to sit down at a Wigan game. Although the majority of Wigan fans were stood, and we stood all game the week before against London at the back of the stand, as did all the Town fans all over the ground for the play off game a week earlier. I only returned to watching the Giants for the CC game against Leeds, stood at the back all game and bought the mini season ticket on the back of it.

I too was brought up watching at Fartown and I hate sitting down. I'm not invalided and I'd probably go to the Odeon next door if I wasn't capable of standing for an hour or so. The atmosphere is much better standing IMO. Probably why just about everyone in the ground stands up when there is an exciting passage of play or a try scored. Well, in our stand anyway.
I'm not against people sitting if they wish. I feel we don't have a choice because of Hillsborough. A knee jerk reaction to not controlling entry to a ground. I wonder how long it would take in an emergency (bomb scare or fire for example) to empty the seating area, compared to a standing area?

Just my 0.02c

Suprised at the reaction to this on here from rugby fans, a game traditionally (and still widely) watched from the terraces.

Seems most are against it just to spite the football club.

What diffrence is a very small standing section behind the goal going to make to your choice to sit down. It's not as if seats are in short supply at Fartown games



Saying the atmosphere is just as good in an all seater stadium is a blatant lie. You wouldn't ge this reaction from Hull / Wigan fans.

I wonder why.....

Go on then?

I personally prefer to stand, I think if you look at grounds such as at HKR and Warrington you find the most healthy season ticket sales are for the standing areas. Granted these areas are along the sides of the pitch and a much better view (tall person dependant!).

As someone rightly said, it does depend what you class as an atmosphere. To me a lot of singing and cheering is what an atmosphere is all about and much less is heard at all seated stadia.

Take Hull FC for example. Their Boulevard days were a players worst nightmare due to the crowd being so vocal and close to the pitch. Now because families buy season passes together, groups of friends don't get to sit near each other and various reasons other than these the singing and general atmosphere is often much less.

In saying this, at the cost of conversion it is not really worth their while. People will still go to games regardless, the ones who say they won't will eventually realise they've been beaten by the masses and just go anyway.

For new stadia being built I'd incorporate a standing section or two (home and away if segregated) but to convert an all seated stadium is just an expensive waste.

There is clear logic to your conclusions, but i would suggest that the points you make point to the key to atmosphere being unreserved sections rather than seats v standing. In my experience, watching football as well as RL the noise made by away supporters is not influenced whether they stand or are seated, with the valid points you make that does suggest to me that it is having areas where like minded noisy types can congregate that helps atmosphere. You get that just as well with unreserved seating.

If anybody believes the atmosphere is any good at giants home games then they need a lobotomy.

I think some people confuse intimidation and rowdiness with atmosphere.

I can see why you would say that, the atmosphere in the visitors stand is usually very dire, especially when we're stuffing 70 points up 'em

So everybody who stands on a terrace to watch rugby is an intimidating and rowdy hooligan?

any safe standing area at the john smiths would probably have little impact on giants fans.
for one, most of the supporters we have now are so used to sitting down that they wouldnt want to stand up.
two, traditionally, our fans have always stood side on at games, hence why most of our support at places like belle vue,wilderspool,wheldon road,congregated on the side, the proposed safe standing will be at the FM end, which offer the poorest views in the stadium anyway.
now, if they proposed a safe standing are to the back of the kilner bank then that would be a different matter.

Correct me if I'm wrong but are not all stadiums in the Premier and the championship required to be all seating by law?

that is correct yes.