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| Quote ="Wadski"The announcement on the Wakefield club website doesn't mention an illegal approach. Would you care to elaborate or kindly STFU?'"
Indeed. TOGTFO!
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| Quote ="deeHell"I get the impression that some Huddersfield fans are that delusional that they actually believe that we are letting him go for nothing! He his a very important player and could be the difference between a play off place or not. If you want him you'll have to pay for him it's that simple. What ever you offer it will after be an offer that is beneficial to Wakey. Ted Richardson is a very shrewd man uncle Ken won't get the better of him in that department!'"
But Brough is out of contract at the end of the season at which point his marketable value is zero. So why do so many Wakefield fans think they are in a strong negotiating position. Either Danny Brough wants to join Huddersfield or he doesn't. If he doesn't it don't matter a tinker's cuss what we are willing to offer for him, he will turn us down. By this stage of his contract his agent will have been in touch with every club in Superleague getting a feel for what offers are out there. If Huddersfield are the best bet then we could sign him in 6 months time for diddly-squat. Wakefield therefore are stuck in the position of getting nothing in 6 months time or >nothing for him now. They haven't got a very strong starting position when it comes to negotiating. No doubt a fee will be involved but it won't be a massive one and will probably factor into it the value to Wakefield on the savings on Brough's remaining contract.
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| Quote ="Code13"Biggest question is...do we need him. Answer is no, we dont. Why would we pay for him now? when he could sit on the sidelines at wakey and cost them money.
[No you dont need him atm, but by paying for him now "oops sorry you dont pay fees do you" it will save missing out on him at the end of the season when the big clubs start bidding with his agent
The benefit Wakey get is rid of a player that sees no future with them who wont really want to play until the last 3 or 4 rounds when his contract is up for grabs for free
[The benefit Wakey now get is that they get rid of a player who no longer wants to play for then because he has had his head turned by by a man with too much money what wants to buy success
the benefit the giants get is, er, not a lot. A trouble making player with a good kicking game...
[The benefit the giants get is, er better than anything you have ask Drew thats why he wanted to come back to you, he was just a makeweight when Danny played. As for a troublemaker he will be what you want him to be for the money uncle Ken will be paying him
btw dont you and gahn and a few others feel a tad embarrassed with Broughy coming after what you all said, what was it NO WAY or something like that, you could of course always deny it and say you were all misquoted
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| Quote ="Mad_Jack_Mcmad"But Brough is out of contract at the end of the season at which point his marketable value is zero. So why do so many Wakefield fans think they are in a strong negotiating position. Either Danny Brough wants to join Huddersfield or he doesn't. If he doesn't it don't matter a tinker's cuss what we are willing to offer for him, he will turn us down. By this stage of his contract his agent will have been in touch with every club in Superleague getting a feel for what offers are out there. If Huddersfield are the best bet then we could sign him in 6 months time for diddly-squat. Wakefield therefore are stuck in the position of getting nothing in 6 months time or >nothing for him now. They haven't got a very strong starting position when it comes to negotiating. No doubt a fee will be involved but it won't be a massive one and will probably factor into it the value to Wakefield on the savings on Brough's remaining contract.'"
I think we are in a stronger position because we have him and you want him. We can just say no and we lose nothing, as he would go anyway at the end of the year, but we would have him until then. You are in a weaker position because if you wait you might get in a bidding war with another club, or not get him at all, and so I think we have the stronger negotiating chip. We aren't trying to off-load him, you are trying to buy him, and thats the crux of it, and that's why we are in a slightly stronger position.
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| Quote ="Mad_Jack_Mcmad"But Brough is out of contract at the end of the season at which point his marketable value is zero. So why do so many Wakefield fans think they are in a strong negotiating position. Either Danny Brough wants to join Huddersfield or he doesn't. If he doesn't it don't matter a tinker's cuss what we are willing to offer for him, he will turn us down. By this stage of his contract his agent will have been in touch with every club in Superleague getting a feel for what offers are out there. If Huddersfield are the best bet then we could sign him in 6 months time for diddly-squat. Wakefield therefore are stuck in the position of getting nothing in 6 months time or >nothing for him now. They haven't got a very strong starting position when it comes to negotiating. No doubt a fee will be involved but it won't be a massive one and will probably factor into it the value to Wakefield on the savings on Brough's remaining contract.'"
Arrh l see, thanks for saving us money on the remaining running time on Brough's contract, now you have pointed that out i think 'we' should actually pay 'you'!!
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| What if he has already signed a contract for 2010?
Perhaps Wakefield approached us with a view to making a small amount on a player they now feel is rocking the boat at Wakefield. Who's in the 'strong position' then?
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| Quote ="Baron Greenback"What if he has already signed a contract for 2010?
Perhaps Wakefield approached us with a view to making a small amount on a player they now feel is rocking the boat at Wakefield. Who's in the 'strong position' then?'"
I don't think they can this early in the season.
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"I think we are in a stronger position because we have him and you want him. We can just say no and we lose nothing, as he would go anyway at the end of the year, but we would have him until then. You are in a weaker position because if you wait you might get in a bidding war with another club, or not get him at all, and so I think we have the stronger negotiating chip. We aren't trying to off-load him, you are trying to buy him, and thats the crux of it, and that's why we are in a slightly stronger position.'"
Roll that turd in glitter, son! Roll!
ATEOTD none of this matters. Whatever happens we'll never know the full story and both sides will claim they got th ebetter deal. Indeed both sides will believe it or any potential deal wouldn't have gone ahead, if it does go ahead.
One thing is however for sure and that is the answer to the real question posed in this thread is undoubtedly chips.
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| I dont think I have seen a thread with so much garbage in it since the infamous VT thread on the "Chris Joynt Voluntary Tackle"
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"I think we are in a stronger position because we have him and you want him. We can just say no and we lose nothing, as he would go anyway at the end of the year, but we would have him until then. You are in a weaker position because if you wait you might get in a bidding war with another club, or not get him at all, and so I think we have the stronger negotiating chip. We aren't trying to off-load him, you are trying to buy him, and thats the crux of it, and that's why we are in a slightly stronger position.'"
But you're assuming that we are desperate to sign him right at this moment. We can have him for nothing at the end of the season. The bidding war is a straw man argument as Brough's agent will already know exactly what sort of offers his client will recieve at that point. If there is the potential of a better offer then he won't accept our offer at all. The clubs are both irrelevant in all this the only party in a strong position is Danny Brough and his agent. Of course the deal will have to be in Wakefield's best interests and I'm not suggesting Wakefield will give him away, they would be daft to do so, but to suggest they have a strong negotiating position is simply not true.
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| Quote ="SimonBarrett"Arrh l see, thanks for saving us money on the remaining running time on Brough's contract, now you have pointed that out i think 'we' should actually pay 'you'!!'"
That's an interesting idea. Get on the blower to Ted and tell him to put that order for those suits on the backburner!
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| Quote ="Mad_Jack_Mcmad"But you're assuming that we are desperate to sign him right at this moment. We can have him for nothing at the end of the season. The bidding war is a straw man argument as Brough's agent will already know exactly what sort of offers his client will recieve at that point. If there is the potential of a better offer then he won't accept our offer at all. The clubs are both irrelevant in all this the only party in a strong position is Danny Brough and his agent. Of course the deal will have to be in Wakefield's best interests and I'm not suggesting Wakefield will give him away, they would be daft to do so, but to suggest they have a strong negotiating position is simply not true.'"
It could well be what Wakey see as a good figure Captain Ken may see as a token figure. Who knows.
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| Quote ="Baron Greenback"What if he has already signed a contract for 2010?
Perhaps Wakefield approached us with a view to making a small amount on a player they now feel is rocking the boat at Wakefield. Who's in the 'strong position' then?'"
Certainly not us, and you may have to pay more than you wanted to stay out of a bidding war at the end of the season. At a guess I would say Danny Brough.
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| It seems most wakey fans are incapable of accepting that Brough is one of their few players with exceptional ability and that he is moving on without some huge transfer fee being paid.
Instead we get umpteen idiotic rumours / theories that the Giants are being held to ransome due to 'illegal approaches' / and the pernicious links relating to a man's private financial siuation. These people are ludicrous and some have no integrity.
You also get wakey fans bagging brough over his 'troublesome character' and yet saying not a thing about Paul Cooke
The idea that Ted is running rings around Davy is laughable.
I like the wakey claim that the giants are so desperate to get brough that they will throw money at him rather than risk losing him. What rubbish! The club could wait til the end of 2010 and take their chance. they would have a very good shout. If they do not get him maybe they will go head to head with wakey for Brett Finch? I wonder which club he would prefer?
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| Quote ="chissitt"Certainly not us, and you may have to pay more than you wanted to stay out of a bidding war at the end of the season. At a guess I would say Danny Brough.'"
Why a bidding war? I would like Brough at the Giants but there are other players OOC for 2011. We could go versus you for Brett Finch.
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| I'd just like to award pernicious as word of the day.
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| Quote ="Mad_Jack_Mcmad"But you're assuming that we are desperate to sign him right at this moment. We can have him for nothing at the end of the season. The bidding war is a straw man argument as Brough's agent will already know exactly what sort of offers his client will recieve at that point. If there is the potential of a better offer then he won't accept our offer at all. The clubs are both irrelevant in all this the only party in a strong position is Danny Brough and his agent. Of course the deal will have to be in Wakefield's best interests and I'm not suggesting Wakefield will give him away, they would be daft to do so, but to suggest they have a strong negotiating position is simply not true.'"
I don't disagree with you, but I didn't say strong, I just said stronger than yours, because we could, if we wanted, just ignore all approaches and let happen what would happen anyway, ;ie, Brough walking out at the end of the year. I presume the Wakey position is that we will only be interested if the offer is enough to turn our heads, because doing nothing would not weaken our position if we are going to lose him anyway. It seems like a win-win for all sides, in that we get something for a player we would lose anyway, the "something" being whatever would make up for the loss of the main man for 21 rounds, and you get the player your coach wants without other clubs turning his head with a bigger cheque. For Danny Brough, he gets to move to a club that won't involve much more travel and potentially greater chances of silverware.
There would only be a need to roll the turd in glitter if we were forced to sell him, but of course we aren't, and so only a deal that would benefit Wakefield would be considered by wakefield. Like Terry Newton, we will soon forget him.
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| Quote ="Danril"I'd just like to award pernicious as word of the day.'"
Have I won the Ted Richardson memorial Loveheart? ("Ted loves Danny"icon_wink.gif
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| Quote ="GiantJo"Have I won the Ted Richardson memorial Loveheart? ("Ted loves Danny"icon_wink.gif'"
No, you get the curly wurly Ted turned his nose up at and a free tour of the suit department at Owlecoates M&S!
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| Quote ="Wadski"The announcement on the Wakefield club website doesn't mention an illegal approach. Would you care to elaborate or kindly STFU?'"
Danny Brough has been playing off Huddersfield against Wakefield in negotiations for a long while - you don't honestly think that Wakefield gave Hudders permission to approach Danny whilst trying their very best to get him to re-sign do you?
I believe the date that allows clubs to speak to contracted players is still 3 or 4 months away
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| Quote ="Catwoman1"Danny Brough has been playing off Huddersfield against Wakefield in negotiations for a long while - you don't honestly think that Wakefield gave Hudders permission to approach Danny whilst trying their very best to get him to re-sign do you?
I believe the date that allows clubs to speak to contracted players is still 3 or 4 months away
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So you are saying that Huddersfield didn't approach Danny but Danny approaching Huddersfield. That's not 'tapping up'.
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| No that is not what I'm saying and you know it
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| Quote ="Danril":15gaecmnNo, you get the curly wurly Ted turned his nose up at and a free tour of the suit department at Owlecoates M&S!'" :15gaecmn
I will be willing to attend the award ceremony IF
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| Quote ="Wadski"So you are saying that Huddersfield didn't approach Danny but Danny approaching Huddersfield. That's not 'tapping up'.'"
Dont want to get into the tapping up thing.....but on a side note, that would still be the same.....IF that happaned then the 'club' should have told him to go away and get permission first!!
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