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| Quote ="sarge1"So you think that your weakness on your right edge is:
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C) Lack of understanding between Cudjoe & McG?
D) Another reason?
E) None of the above - what weakness?????'"
The way I see it- it's down to poor reads by mcgilvary. He often comes in too far leaving space on the edge, then has to charge across to cover the gap, he gets there but then the opposition man just cuts inside leaving jerry wrong footed and turning him, and the player is through, cudjoe is then damned as he can't make the tackle and cover his inside man against a pass. The numbers are right but jerrys positioning wrong.
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| Lawrence, Symonds and poss another key player injured for tomorrow night. Good test of the squad early doors.
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| Another?!
Is this still a conditioning issue?
Are we going to replace Walsh or not?
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| Quote ="jools"The way I see it- it's down to poor reads by mcgilvary. He often comes in too far leaving space on the edge, then has to charge across to cover the gap, he gets there but then the opposition man just cuts inside leaving jerry wrong footed and turning him, and the player is through, cudjoe is then damned as he can't make the tackle and cover the inside man against a pass. The numbers are right but jerrys positioning wrong.'"
I really don't get the mega defensive attitude of certain Giants fans when it comes to Cudjoe. If only he had the same attitude towards tackling ......lol
McG obviously doesn't have faith in him, so comes away from his wing when defending.
IMHO RS has a real job on his hands to work magic with him and teach him how to tackle, that none of your previous coaches could.
Here's hoping for Giants sake though.
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| Quote ="sarge1"I really don't get the mega defensive attitude of certain Giants fans when it comes to Cudjoe. If only he had the same attitude towards tackling ......lol
McG obviously doesn't have faith in him, so comes away from his wing when defending.
IMHO RS has a real job on his hands to work magic with him and teach him how to tackle, that none of your previous coaches could.
Here's hoping for Giants sake though.'"
How is having a 95% tackle rate not being able to tackle
I don't get this constant reference to him not being able to tackle- his success rate states otherwise.
I'm not saying he doesn't make mistakes- he does, many, just like brough does, just like jerry does but there's this unwritten rule it seems that you can only blame certain players but not others.
Mcgilvary doesn't have faith in a player who has a much better success rate than himself?
Perhaps he doesn't but hes misguided!
I've explained how I see it. In fact I can predict it before it happens. But then I only watch him every week....
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| cudjoe doesn't play tomorrow either by all accounts
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| Bugger!
So Darnell may well have to play FB with Gaskell at centre, otherwise we will have to draft Sam wood as a late edition into squad.
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| Quote ="jools"How is having a 95% tackle rate not being able to tackle
I don't get this constant reference to him not being able to tackle- his success rate states otherwise.
I'm not saying he doesn't make mistakes- he does, many, just like brough does, just like jerry does but there's this unwritten rule it seems that you can only blame certain players but not others.
Mcgilvary doesn't have faith in a player who has a much better success rate than himself?
Perhaps he doesn't but hes misguided!
I've explained how I see it. In fact I can predict it before it happens. But then I only watch him every week....'"
I get the fact that you dont agree with me - and quite a few of your own fans when I've spoken to the more
If you look back through the thread. I was only agreeing with one of your own on Cudjoe's defensive shortcomings.
I,ve explained how I see it too. your right edge is always vulnerable, mostly due to your Captain's suspect tackling technique.
Tell you what - we'll agree to disagree and I just hope RS hasn't managed to improve his defence when you play us.
All the best for the rest of the season.
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| Quote ="smithjohnny263"cudjoe doesn't play tomorrow either'"
another knee knock
maybe mcintosh to full back and gaskell centre or other way round
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| Quote ="REDWHITEANDBLUE"Wakefields ticket allocation sent to the club have been fully sold no idea how many that is but looks like some decentvsupport travelling.'"
You were sent 250 at £15 they sold out, - the £21 ones haven't and you were given 250 of those too.
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| Quote ="jools"The way I see it- it's down to poor reads by mcgilvary. He often comes in too far leaving space on the edge, then has to charge across to cover the gap, he gets there but then the opposition man just cuts inside leaving jerry wrong footed and turning him, and the player is through, cudjoe is then damned as he can't make the tackle and cover his inside man against a pass. The numbers are right but jerrys positioning wrong.'"
At a HGSA meeting last year, Jerry and Bruno explained in quite good detail how our defensive structure is set up and how it seems that it's just a case of the centre/wing getting caught out and misreading when it could be an error 2 or 3 tackles earlier by a player in the middle of the park which causes issues further on, i can't really explain it but those who were there got a good understanding of how it's like a machine and if one cog misses it causes problems, he was quite animated after reading that certain tries were 'his fault' and to be fair explained it very well at the time.
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| Quote ="GIANT DAZ"You were sent 250 at £15 they sold out, - the £21 ones haven't and you were given 250 of those too.'"
All allocated tickets sold, over 700 according to Wakefield Chairman. Should be a good game....
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| Quote ="cocker"All allocated tickets sold, over 700 according to Wakefield Chairman. Should be a good game....'"
Fair enough, was just going by what i was told by our club.
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| Quote ="GIANT DAZ"At a HGSA meeting last year, Jerry and Bruno explained in quite good detail how our defensive structure is set up and how it seems that it's just a case of the centre/wing getting caught out and misreading when it could be an error 2 or 3 tackles earlier by a player in the middle of the park which causes issues further on, i can't really explain it but those who were there got a good understanding of how it's like a machine and if one cog misses it causes problems, he was quite animated after reading that certain tries were 'his fault' and to be fair explained it very well at the time.'"
Could denial be the reason it's not been sorted then.
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| Quote ="GIANT DAZ"Fair enough, was just going by what i was told by our club.'"
Lol. You not learned yet....
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| Trinity's full allocation of 770 sold out by 4pm yesterday.
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| Quote ="GIANT DAZ"You were sent 250 at £15 they sold out, - the £21 ones haven't and you were given 250 of those too.'"
Cheers useful to know thanks
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| Quote ="jools"Could denial be the reason it's not been sorted then.'"
Denial of what ?
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| Quote ="GIANT DAZ"Denial of what ?'"
Of the problem of jerry being turned back inside.
We've had several new /different players playing inside of Leroy and jerry - maybe issues are happening two or three tackles previous...... yet jerry still keeps getting turned. And regardless of what happens prior in my eyes he's standing too far in...
Do we know how many tickets we have actually sold to Wakefieldseeing as there's a big Discrepancy in what you've been told by our club, and what Wakefield fans have been told by theirs.
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| I don't know for definite just going by what I was told by a board member last night.
And not sure what you're getting at with the Jerry thing, I was just saying how 2 of our senior pro's explained to us how the defensive structure works and who's job it is to do what and how it can have a knock on effect on everyone else if someone doesn't do their job correctly. Doubt they would just make a story up on their way to a meeting to cover up what someone thinks is happening.
If 2 others fail to do their jobs it would mean the winger and centre could potentially be facing a 4 or even 5 on 2 situation, not really anything anyone can do there apart from make a decision whether to try and go for the ball or cover one of the spare men.
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| stone says that huby wanted to leave.... dont think he deserves a warm welcome tonight after we stuck by him with the ferres saga..
got a bad feeling for tonight , the omens are not looking good, wakey to get the win, hope im wrong!
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| Quote ="GIANT DAZ"I don't know for definite just going by what I was told by a board member last night.
And not sure what you're getting at with the Jerry thing, I was just saying how 2 of our senior pro's explained to us how the defensive structure works and who's job it is to do what and how it can have a knock on effect on everyone else if someone doesn't do their job correctly. Doubt they would just make a story up on their way to a meeting to cover up what someone thinks is happening.
If 2 others fail to do their jobs it would mean the winger and centre could potentially be facing a 4 or even 5 on 2 situation, not really anything anyone can do there apart from make a decision whether to try and go for the ball or cover one of the spare men.'"
I fully get that situation- but that's not the issue I'm referring to, I'm referring to the situation where we are numbered up perfectly fine but our winger is wrong footed when the opposition turns back inside and misses the one on one tackle.
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| Quote ="brearley84"stone says that huby wanted to leave.... dont think he deserves a warm welcome tonight after we stuck by him with the ferres saga..
got a bad feeling for tonight , the omens are not looking good, wakey to get the win, hope im wrong!'"
I'm not going to give a welcome warm or otherwise to huby. . Can't blame huby for wanting away from bad memories. But he was never that brilliant for us so meh.
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| Quote ="GIANT DAZ"I don't know for definite just going by what I was told by a board member last night.
And not sure what you're getting at with the Jerry thing, I was just saying how 2 of our senior pro's explained to us how the defensive structure works and who's job it is to do what and how it can have a knock on effect on everyone else if someone doesn't do their job correctly. Doubt they would just make a story up on their way to a meeting to cover up what someone thinks is happening.
If 2 others fail to do their jobs it would mean the winger and centre could potentially be facing a 4 or even 5 on 2 situation, not really anything anyone can do there apart from make a decision whether to try and go for the ball or cover one of the spare men.'"
You could say for every tackle missed, it was down to someone earlier missing their tackle. There's no shame in people missing a tackle here and there, ( nobody makes every one ) when it happens fairly often there is obviously a problem to sort. And It's not what people think is happening It's what they see. Nobody is saying drop them.
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| Well we are still conceding but we can't blame Leroy for any tonight....
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