So what Wigan fans are saying is that the masses of them (as they keep reminding us) pay good money for nothing as the players are actually not bothered about winning games in the regular season! But this apparently is a good thing


Their straw clutching is pretty funny- how many league games lost on the trot- but it's fine- it's all some big Masterplan to win the grand final!
Because Leeds have done it differently the last few seasons Wigan fans seem to think thus is genius on wanes part "resting" o loughlin and golden boy. what they are failing to realise is that Leeds have never "rested" star players mid season they have played their strongest side where possible and got the side very tight. Ill happily play anyone cause we know we are capable of beating anyone - wigan fans clearly aren't as confident.

But you choose to voice your thoughts now, where have you been for the last 15 years? CHAMPIONS ARE THE GRAND FINAL WINNERS - swallow the pill now.

Correct but finishing top is an achievement in itself and I am happy with that. Might not be this year but keep going as we are and one day we will be "true" champions and if this season is the stepping stone to reach that level then it will be just what the doctor ordered if we win the GF this year even better.

The LLS doesn't mean you're the best team over the season because the fixtures aren't equal and the best teams don't aim to finish top, they aim to win the grand final. Only winning the grand final gives you the tag of champions. So quit with this ''finishing top means your'e the best blah blah blah'' because it's bullcrap.

How you can even entertain this notion when we have this competition structure beggers belief. The fixtures aren't even equal for christ sake. Mother of god, when will people stop spouting this rubbish about finishing top. Only a special kind of stupid harbours these type of opinions. The only way finishing top would be worth what you say it is, is if the fixtures were equal and everyone knew before that top spot = champions.

Your avatar is apt.

The fact you throw the CC into the conversation is hilarious. Wigan won the CC this year without beating a single top 6 team. Yet I imagine a special person like you probably puts more worth on the CC than the grand final where you are guaranteed to have to beat your main rivals in consecutive games.

Theres so much wrong with this I, I, I just don't know where to begin.

It's irrelevant. Finishing top doesn't give you the tag of champions, therefore theres no need to even discuss what would happen if it did, the fixture schedule would be even for starters. Who did hudds play at MM and who did wigan and warrington play? yeah. It's like saying if huddersfield hadn't crawled up their own ar$es at warrington they'd have won the CC. All we have is the here and now and the facts. Finishing top doesn't give you the tag of champions so huddersfields acheivment is secondary to everyone except them.

That's fine.

[i[uBut that is not the system that is currently in place[/u[/i

So all this bollox about ''i'm happy finishing top it shows we are the top team'', is wrong under the current cicumstances.

No, they don't go out to lose matches.

But they will tailer their conditioning, training and team selection to make sure they are at full tilt during the playoffs, which may mean they are under par at other periods resulting in losses.

Which now apparently qualifies a team who goes all to finish top rather than make sure they are at their best for the part of the season which decides the best team..... as the best. Go figure.

There is no award for "best team" just Champions and LLS winners.

If you want to say either (or indeed someone else) are the best team go ahead but others will shoot holes in your thinking either way and in some ways that is the thing about sport even someone like Phil Taylor can go a few years without winning the World Championship but trying to say he is not the best in the world is a difficult argument to make.

translation = the whipping boys have become good and we cant accept it so will try and belittle their achievements !

We want to see our team win silverware, win tomorrow and we do just that - we will deal with the end of season competition later.

Your too sensitive very few, even on here, belittle our achievements and alot of that is due to the attitude of a few Huddersfield fans on here who react to any negative comment and go all out to wind others up when they can.

It's got nothing to do with it.

It's very simple.

The rules of the current competition state that the team that wins the GF are champions. Every team knows this at the start of the season and THIS is their goal.

If you can come first after the regular rounds and this fits into your ability to perform in the playoffs, great.

If coming first in the regular rounds means that your performance in the playoffs is in [uany way[/u hindered, then any coach with an ounce of sense wouldn't aim for it.


If Huddersfield fans are happy with winning the LLS, then great. I am happy for them.

Just do not think that all the other teams have gone all out to win it, because they clearly have not.


For those that want the "Champions" to be decided by the team that comes top after the regular rounds- fine, it's a perfectly reasonable point of view.

[uHOWEVER, if this were to happen, then each team would have to play each other home and away.[/u

You cannot obviously have the CURRENT situation where teams play each other different amounts of times depending on what will draw the best crowds



If you want to believe that every team gave 100% to win the LLS then go ahead.

However, I suspect you will get thumped in the playoffs and have to accept reality.

This is not to say that Huddersfield have not had a great season- you clearly have and well done on this.

I think we needed all season to finish top to have any real shot of a good play off campaign. Leeds and Wigan did not and I think Wire fall somewhere in between.

Win tomorrow and the belief levels will rise and that is what we need.

Only time will tell which club has had the right strategy but then again the GF winners might not have got it right even if they win it but we have done it the way we have had to and I think how we challenge year on year is far more important than how this season ends as I am sure Baloo has a long term plan not a 2013 or bust attitude and if this is just the start anything that happens after picking up the LLS (assuming we do) is a bonus.

It obviously is so simple that you are claiming we havent ---but whatever Einstein!
There is a mid season special that fans go to not I would claim because of who their team are playing but because they can have two days (or one if they wish) where they get 3 games for in some cases less than a normal home fixture
The fact that points are awarded is a pure bonus
But if it makes yer day - enjoy !

Frankly all this reminds me of a song !




"JEALOUSY"

If so many teams aren't bothered about winning the LLS then how come more teams haven't won it yet? If idiots think that players set out on the field of play to lose a game then they must be deluded. There's 3 pieces of silverware to win each season and if players and teams don't want to win these trophies then they don't deserve to be professional sportsmen.

oh a different team is going to win the LLS rather than the usual so called big boys...

this is just not on at all

shame on you huddersfield!

looking forward to seeing this team lifting the shield

will live long in the memory

If you want to believe your players don't go into every game giving 100% because they aren't actually wanting to win then go ahead.
Lets hope they can be equally as unprofessional by underestimating us as opponents.

Lets say for instance it was e.g saints just as an example and not Wigan -who had lost several games, inconsistent, constant changes in playing personnel - would you still be expecting us to get thumped. Other teams are looking at Wigan and licking their lips at the thought of coming up against them- which is exactly what Wigan would be doing if it was saints.

If you ever translate that into English I might respond.

Leeds did it last year when Wigan were naive enough to aim for top spot at the exclusion of having a fit, healthy team for the playoffs.

It's not about Wigan, Huddersfield or any club. It's about the structure of the competition.

Comprehension not your strong point? Makes perfect sense to me in response to your underlined and in bold comment which is I'm assuming the main point you were trying to make ( rather than just coming across as desperate) if I were you I'd toddle off back to the rest of the "straw clutchers" on your board. See you in the playoffs- or perhaps not going by your recent form.

Absolute rubbish! If you are trying to compare Leeds of last season with Wigan of this you are way off the mark! Leeds did not "rest" star players for several games, they did not play without flair or direction. They lost a few games at the odd time in the season but did not come into the playoffs in a poor run of form with a team who hadn't played together as a unit all season. You clearly don't have a fit healthy squad! Unlike the giants who most certainly have- and what's more a fit healthy squad who have played together all season and just had a weeks rest! More straw clutching!

You're missing the point.

In recent years wigan warrington and huddersfield (this year) have all won it, they have all been teams who have had lean periods of differing degrees so finishing top is obviously a milestone and seen as a stepping stone for bigger success.

Before that, perennial grand final contestants leeds and saints won it between themselves for 6 or 7 years, mainly due to the fact there was little other competition, but also the most important fact. The playoff system changed. In recent years finishing in the top 2 wasn't as important as it once was so you've seen the usual grand final suspects reign in their regular season performances.

If huddersfield win it this year 6 different teams have won it, almost 50% of the team in the competition.

So what exactly do you mean, how come more teams haven't won it?

The point I was trying to make is that if the so called big clubs are not bothered about winning the LLS and it means nothing then why haven't more lesser clubs won it over the years? If its not thought highly by certain clubs and individuals then why haven't other clubs targetted the LLS as a genuine chance of winning silverware because all of the top teams are saving themselves for the playoffs and are less worried about where they finish in the playoff positions!!

It will be 43% of the teams currently in SL who will have won the LLS if we do it tomorrow, 36% of the teams at the moment. From all of the teams who have actualy played in SL over the years the percentage goes down to 27% in a 14 team division. Thats not alot considering nobody gives a s££t about it







Only 4 teams have won the GF (29%) so far and this goes upto 36% if a new club was to win the GF this season. Only 6 different teams have actually played in a GF, 43% of clubs going off the teams currently in SL. This equates to 18% of all teams who've actual played in SL winning the GF and 27% of the teams who have played in SL over the years making the GF!!!

Its all numbers but looking at the percentages there doesn't seem to be much difference percentagewise between the teams winning the GF and the LLS so I'd say teams do want to win the LLS and set out at the start of the season to do so!!!

Steady on moggie- school doesn't start till next week!