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| Quote ="Wadski"We're not talking about the playoffs though - we are talking about the LLS - that's why the subject of the thread is "Three reasons why winning the league matters !!!"'"
But that's just it. It doesn't matter IF it conveys no advantage in the playoffs. In itself it is a pointless "trophy".
Personally I would like to see more advantage given to the leaders after the regular rounds and it be made progressively hard for teams that finished below them to win the GF. However, we have to play the cards we are dealt.
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| the winner of the league gets 50k? another reason.
bit more to pay of mason and bulls
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| Quote ="brearley84"the winner of the league gets 50k? another reason.
bit more to pay of mason and bulls
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and all the money from the playoff games is pooled and paid out on a pro rata rate to the teams in the league based on their finishing league position.
say 150,000 people watch the games at £20 a head + £3million pounds with a higher % going to the teams that finish the highest
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| Quote ="Durham Giant"and all the money from the playoff games is pooled and paid out on a pro rata rate to the teams in the league based on their finishing league position.
say 150,000 people watch the games at £20 a head + £3million pounds with a higher % going to the teams that finish the highest'"
With all due respect, 150,000 is rather optimistic.
2012 Play-Off Total Attendances = 74,924 from 8 games.
2011 Play-Off Total Attendances = 76,544 from 8 games.
2010 Play-Off Total Attendances = 94,573 from 8 games.
2009 Play-Off Total Attendances = 68,995 from 8 games.
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| Quote ="William Eve"With all due respect, 150,000 is rather optimistic.
2012 Play-Off Total Attendances = 74,924 from 8 games.
2011 Play-Off Total Attendances = 76,544 from 8 games.
2010 Play-Off Total Attendances = 94,573 from 8 games.
2009 Play-Off Total Attendances = 68,995 from 8 games.'"
Edit: Comment removed as the above figures are missing grand final therefore inaccurate.
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| Who shares the grand final money? That would push the crowds upto the 150,000+ figures.
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| Quote ="moggie"Who shares the grand final money? That would push the crowds upto the 150,000+ figures.'"
It appears Bill Eve is missing the grand final from his 'Play Off' Figures...oops!
Grand Final attendances
2009 - GF = 63,259, therefore total attendance = 132,254
2010 - GF = 71,526, therefore total attendance = 166,099
2011 - GF = 69,107, therefore total attendance = 145,651
2012 - GF = 70,676, therefore total attendance = 145,600
Average over 4 years = 147,401
Therefore Durhams guestimate of 150,000 as a ballpark figure is absolutely spot on.
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| Quote ="Code13"Also
William Eve is a troll'"
By his own calculations he is a 'tro'. He misses half the information off.
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| Quote ="XBrettKennyX"But that's just it. It doesn't matter IF it conveys no advantage in the playoffs. In itself it is a pointless "trophy".
Personally I would like to see more advantage given to the leaders after the regular rounds and it be made progressively hard for teams that finished below them to win the GF. However, we have to play the cards we are dealt.'"
12 of the 15 finals have featured the team that finished top of the league. 8 of the 15 have been won by the team that finished top. No team that has finished lower than 2nd has ever beaten the team that finished 1st in a Grand Final. No team has won their first Superleague title from any position other than 1st. The last 7 Grand Finals have been won by either the team that finished 1st or Leeds.
Even under the top 8 you are still more likely to win from 1st than any other position.
Finishing 1st does convey an advantage in the play offs, quite clearly. Please do not mistake the fact that Leeds have won the last 2 finals from 4th and 5th convey the idea that it doesn't matter where you finish. It doesn't matter where you finish if you've won 5 of the last 7 Grand Finals. It matters hugely if you haven't.
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| Quote ="Mad_Jack_Mcmad"12 of the 15 finals have featured the team that finished top of the league. 8 of the 15 have been won by the team that finished top. No team that has finished lower than 2nd has ever beaten the team that finished 1st in a Grand Final. No team has won their first Superleague title from any position other than 1st. The last 7 Grand Finals have been won by either the team that finished 1st or Leeds.
Even under the top 8 you are still more likely to win from 1st than any other position.
Finishing 1st does convey an advantage in the play offs, quite clearly. Please do not mistake the fact that Leeds have won the last 2 finals from 4th and 5th convey the idea that it doesn't matter where you finish. It doesn't matter where you finish if you've won 5 of the last 7 Grand Finals. It matters hugely if you haven't.'"
i like those stats!!
really would like to get to old trafford... 12 of the 15 who finished top went to the final, massive chance!
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| Quote ="Mad_Jack_Mcmad"12 of the 15 finals have featured the team that finished top of the league. 8 of the 15 have been won by the team that finished top. No team that has finished lower than 2nd has ever beaten the team that finished 1st in a Grand Final. No team has won their first Superleague title from any position other than 1st. The last 7 Grand Finals have been won by either the team that finished 1st or Leeds.
Even under the top 8 you are still more likely to win from 1st than any other position.
Finishing 1st does convey an advantage in the play offs, quite clearly. Please do not mistake the fact that Leeds have won the last 2 finals from 4th and 5th convey the idea that it doesn't matter where you finish. It doesn't matter where you finish if you've won 5 of the last 7 Grand Finals. It matters hugely if you haven't.'"
Meaningless statistics since the format of the playoffs were different.
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| play offs blah blah blah, belt up and let us enjoy our moment and what happens in the play offs happen.
I can just imagine leeds and wigan fans if we beat them in the play offs, it didn't matter, wait til we play you in the regular season,we will spank you then
imagine them if we won the thing, it's irrelevant until you win the WCC
pathetic idiots ignore them let them play their silly little games,let us rewrite history
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| I wlish our fans were not so obsessed with what others think and even worse put words in their mouths
You do not seem willing to ignore them and if we all stopped being so defensive and enjoyed the success for what it is not how others see it we might appreciate it even more.
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| I am prepared to enjoy it that's the whole point,if others are so bitter that they cant see what an achievement it is for a club like ours then they cant like rugby league much
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| I think everyone needs to seperate the internet from real life. As we go in Rickys before most home games we end up chatting to alot of away fans and their views about us tend to be very different from what seems to be the everyone is out to put us down view on here.
Take things with a pinch of salt and enjoy the ride.
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| Quote ="espanyolswan"I think everyone needs to seperate the internet from real life. As we go in Rickys before most home games we end up chatting to alot of away fans and their views about us tend to be very different from what seems to be the everyone is out to put us down view on here.
Take things with a pinch of salt and enjoy the ride.'"
Too true.
About 1% of fans must post on here - not a true reflection of all opinions out there.
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| Quote ="Wadski"It appears Bill Eve is missing the grand final from his 'Play Off' Figures...oops!
Grand Final attendances
2009 - GF = 63,259, therefore total attendance = 132,254
2010 - GF = 71,526, therefore total attendance = 166,099
2011 - GF = 69,107, therefore total attendance = 145,651
2012 - GF = 70,676, therefore total attendance = 145,600
Average over 4 years = 147,401
Therefore Durhams guestimate of 150,000 as a ballpark figure is absolutely spot on.'"
I doubt Durhams guessimate of 150,000 included the Grand Final. Nobody is daft enough to suggest that the two Grand Finalists and eventual Super League champions should be denied the financial fruits of their Old Trafford qualification in favour of a team who only finished 1st during a regular season pre-qualification phase?
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| Quote ="William Eve"I doubt Durhams guessimate of 150,000 included the Grand Final. Nobody is daft enough to suggest that the two Grand Finalists and eventual Super League champions should be denied the financial fruits of their Old Trafford qualification in favour of a team who only finished 1st during a regular season pre-qualification phase?'"
Keep it up pal you are showing your ignorance, and from my point of view your opinions neither make sense......... Oh I can't be @rsed, I'm too happy.
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| Whether you crash in the playoffs or not, winning the league will show just how far you've come. I'd love Hull to win the league, though i'll settle for the challenge cup . It'll also give you a far better springboard for the coming seasons, it'll allow you to attract better players (as in marquee signings, not bagging the lads you've got), it'll also hopefully increase the profile of the club in the local area. As an ex Huddersfield uni student who grew to love the town, I wish you all the best.
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| Quote ="meast"play offs blah blah blah, belt up and let us enjoy our moment and what happens in the play offs happen.
I can just imagine leeds and wigan fans if we beat them in the play offs, it didn't matter, wait til we play you in the regular season,we will spank you then
imagine them if we won the thing, it's irrelevant until you win the WCC
pathetic idiots ignore them let them play their silly little games[u,let us rewrite history[/u'"
I’m not trying to be clever (that would be impossible) or funny (that would be a first), but can you really rewrite history? History has already happened and so cannot be rewritten unless you mean by changing the fact into a lie. If we live we will make history when the present time has passed, but whether there is such a thing as the present, is also a moot point. So I contend you will eventually make history by the passing of future events, whether or not the history then would be the past you seem to want, is as yet unknown, and as future history is I think an oxymoron, all I can wish you is good luck in the future. lol
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| Quote ="pies-r-us"I’m not trying to be clever (that would be impossible) or funny (that would be a first), but can you really rewrite history? History has already happened and so cannot be rewritten unless you mean by changing the fact into a lie. If we live we will make history when the present time has passed, but whether there is such a thing as the present, is also a moot point. So I contend you will eventually make history by the passing of future events, whether or not the history then would be the past you seem to want, is as yet unknown, and as future history is I think an oxymoron, all I can wish you is good luck in the future. lol
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