so not to lose the handfull of people who would rather stay home and watch 2 teams they dont support the giants kick off early and lose out on attracting the future of the club,

Ken Davey himself said 4 year ago(when talking about the 7's scheme) that at the age of 7/8 kids are making decisiona as to who they will support for the rest of there life so lets make this decision easy for them and there family's

Any hard evidence (pre and post licence) or is it small minded muck raking?

Quote ="Marsdengiant"Any hard evidence (pre and post licence) or is it small minded muck raking?'"

Compare the number of schools this term and the same period last year, the reduction in (experienced) personnel on the community team, all activity now takes place at the ZONE (at a cost) and not at local clubs as it has been done in the past.

I don’t need to muck rake, the Giants have not had a great community program for a number of years and since Lisa left it stalled quite a bit, but having said this Mick Sykes was very active and did what he could with the recourses at his disposal.

With a little thought and a lot of hard work we could have a program as good as Quin’s , Saints or Leeds who at the moment are showing the rest of the game how it’s done.

Give us the actual numbers or are you making it up?

Don't give us this 'not been good for years' stuff. You said since getting the licence they have forgotten the comunity game. So prove it.

Otherwise it looks like the muck raking of a malcontent.

Why would a fellow Giants fan want to muck rake?


Thats just the kind of remark we could do without on here Marsden, its picky and its tedious.


Right 11.30am kick off it is then

I have no idea why someone would want to muck rake. That is why I ask the poster for evidence / proof.

If they are making things up to criticise the club I hope we should be allowed to question it(?) If it is picky to ask a poster to back up criticisms with facts then that is a shame.

I have asked for proof from the poster and so far he / she has provided none.

Barring giving you the school figure which im presuming is lower then it seems answers have been provided there

Doesnt come across as a criticism to me, more just pointing out a few things

my son is under 9s and they doing summer league now too. better weather wise but shame if we miss the game

exactly...my son actually plays for moldgreen under 9s lol

my lad play's for shawcross U8,kick off time for his games are 10.30 sunday mornings


as for the giants in the community,in the 3 years he has been playing the game. at the end of season presentation a member of the giants squad were supposed to turn up at the event,but in 3 years none has turned up


yet we have had bradford,leeds,wakefield and dewsbury players turn up every year.so one would have to agree with DMH or GOD u choose

Whether the complaints can be statistically evidenced or not there is enough anecdotal evidence to suggest they could be doing better.

I am sure i read last year that salendine nook school got to some RL final and there was no significant contact from the club.

Whether that is down to the school or the club i know not, BUT it apeears there are some communication problems that could be improved.

Im sure im quoted at the time saying something along the lines as........... What Sally Nook getting to a final has to do with the Giants then i dont know, not taking anything away from their acheivement.

Surprised at Ponner's comments to be honest, i know of at least 1 player who does a lot of presentation nights, coaching, watching at amateur/kids level, maybe he does that off his own back, i dont know

Eh? What did I say?

Dam it was Watson




Sorry Mark

Nothing - as usual!

The figures are the answer not simply a suggestion to make a comparison.

The phrase

" The Giants since getting the licence to remain in SL for 3 years guaranteed seem to have forgotten about the community game!"

reads like a criticism to me. If it is based on fact it is fair criticism. Otherwise it is criticism without evidence - which I have called muck raking. So far no evidence has been forthcoming

Smashing logic. When fans or even coaches of other clubs criicise the Giants based on their own 'biases and anecdotes' we challenge them. We do so with the facts.

Apparently when a 'Giants fan' challenges the community work of the club based on anecdote or a single event its okay.

Maybe if Justin Morgan or Nobby would say we had forgotten about our community game since getting a licence posters may think it worthy of challenging.

Then i suggest you re read his points again, seems to me you have selective reading Marsden mate

After the schools (i know he didnt provide numbers), he makes 2 other points, you miss them?

You any facts to dismiss his claims?

That's right...no numbers.

Of course I am being selective! I am selecting the point about the Giants forgetting about the community game and saying that the poster provides no evidence! Despite requests no evidence has been forthcoming. The suggestion that everything is done at the zone is untrue.

I await his /her evidence.

Maybe they dont come on every day







I cant think of anywhere else they do anything tbh

To be clear:

If someone wants to criticise the club with no evidence it is okay.

If you want to ask the person to provide evidence that is not okay.

Infact people can make things up and do nothing, those wanting to challenge it have to do the research.

Not quite what i said, they obviously dont come on every day to answer your questions, you have asked, we'll just have to wait for an answer

As for the last point, you could have come up with a counter argument while we are waiting



Carry on being a picky sod

You don't have to think! Or guess. Contact them and find out the schools they are going out to.

And the activity that does go on at the Zone (a facility most SL clubs would kill for) certainly shows that the community has not been forgotten...doesn't it?

Twas ever thus