might be a good idea to get a new coach in before that then... otherwise we will get a new coach given players he doesnt want or never heard of!

Sorry Jools obviously misled you
1 THE younguns may WANT TO play - thats good but I`m saying that the ideal structure is to introduce them into a teamthats going well with senior players setting an example - not throwing them to the Lionsin a struggling team out of desperation. Hows that going to develop them and give them confidence ? You wouldnt pitch the best 18 year old at Longwood harriers against Mo Farah
As for your second point , any good youngsters who show they can hack it in a struggling team in SL will certainly be approached Id bet if we end upin the million pound game or worse......
And if its a glamour team that comes knocking - and they want to progress - it will be a hard decision theyre facing
Thats the predicament wed be facing soon if thingsdont change sadly !

I agree with a lot of the points raised but in my opinion the one thing that is the most relevant is the present system of the play offs.Clubs at the bottom of SL cannot afford to blood young players especially with an injury crisis like the one the Giants are facing at present also players will more than likely have it written in their contracts an option to leave if a club is relegated.There is in my opinion an underlying cause at the Giants that needs to be looked at the injury problem has been going on for over 3 years and never gets any better.Some posters will blame the management Thewlis seems to be the one who gets the most stick and I find myself asking what position does he play.Personally I think we need a stronger Coach who will instil an Oz type of mentality a greater mind set designed to make the players fitter faster and stronger.I watch the warm up and it's plain to see the players that do not wish to be there and believe you me it is not too difficult to spot this.Lets face it a fit player is less likely to get injured than an unfit one.

Huddersfield do have some of the strangest fans in Super League.

When you were not getting results early on, the 'experts' on here were demanding the head of Rick Stone and guaranteeing his removal would lead to an upturn in results. Since he's gone there's hardly been an improvement in results or performances (you even lost to hopeless Salford!) so it proves most of your fans were wrong and it wasn't all down to Stone.

Perhaps getting behind your side a bit more when you were struggling instead of moaning about the coach and you may, just may, have seen a few more wins.

some not all ... i for one didnt think there would be any change in results, no coach will get wins with the injuries we have right now.

correct it certianly wasnt all down to stone.

fitness could be an issue with the injuries yes, brought boomer in to try fix up and also a new aussie coach coming maybe!

No we are still not getting results. But we ARE seeing an improvement in performances. Because honestly stone had us playing an absolutely dire game plan.
When we only have 5 of our first choice squad on the field playing in their true position we are always going to struggle-even against Salford.
If Wigan has this many injuries you’d never hear the last of it.
No first choice 1,2,3,11 at all, a range of people shuffled in at 5, 6,7,9,12 and 13 due to numerous other injuries to first choice and replacements.
We haven’t seen the same team more than twice all season.
At least our interim coach is trying to do something about the issues that were glaringly obvious. He’s brought in someone to help our out of depth conditioner, brought back loan players, started to make changes to a game plan that never worked and given some excellent young players gametime.
Something a supposedly more experienced coach did not do.
He was always on a hiding to nothing with injuries over a tough Easter period. They didn’t even get chance to train the first week he was in charge.

What planet do you reside in?

Any side who losing at home so convincingly to a side as limited as Salford is clearly showing no signs of improvement. That's just you trying to kid yourself you were correct all along about Stone.

You lost by a less margin under Stone to St Helens and they are top of the league.

forgot we have also lost to salford for the last 5 seasons at home, some teams always have that bogey team! i didnt expect us to win, even put money on it!

Yes we did- first home game in, we actually played with the team we’d trained with in pre season- without the pile more injuries we’ve had since then. We had all but Leroy, symonds and Wakeman from our first choice 17 in that saints game Leroy and symonds took no part in pre season anyway, and Wakeman only limited.
Since then we have had between 9 and 11 players on the treatment table every week (not the same 9-11 just to exacerbate the situation) and at least theee each week playing with injections
Or are you claiming that doesn’t make a difference?
Do you think that outcome would be the same had saints been without barba, swift, makinson, amor, lms, tai, peyroux, roby coming back from a three week concussion protocol having to play a full game oh and no second choice fullback or wing either so matty smith at fullback. What do you reckon?

Improvement in performance? A good point against Leeds then thumped in every other match, at no point ever looking likely to win. Sacking Stone is one thing, leaving Thorman in charge is disastrous, however nice a chap he may be.

A 62 point defeat. So are you still going to delude yourself you're seeing an 'improvement' under your interim coach or finally be honest and admit you were wrong all along and things are now far worse than under Stone?

some thought sacking stone was the answer

thorman isnt the answer, hes part of the problem with the crap culture we have at the club

yes hes honest, so what... stone was mr nice guy but got the chop.

at least we have a new coach set to come in and thats a fresh approach and maybe just maybe might change the culture but will he be allowed to bring in hiw own backroom staff?? not a chance.

for all that no coach could get a win in super league with the amount of injuries we have..end of story.

Stone was not the issue and never was its those out on the field!!

which ones? half the team out injured most the time!

so maybe the issue is with that... signing crocked players? not fit? wrong physios etc

welcome to Hull FC around 2010...

welcome to huddersfield 2017, 2016

thing is we havent solved the problem still

Yep.

Really, we’re reaping the rewards of a policy of releasing Australia and New Zealand internationals (yes, we had plenty on the books) and replacing them with lower league players who aren't up to SL standards.

Stone may have helped us to stay up, got us in the 8 last year- but he made us a poorer side as he went about that, both in the way they play and the personnel in it.
Also- At the moment if it wasn’t for bad luck we’d have no luck at all.
The best coach in the world would have a difficult job on his hands.
We need a miracle.

personally i still think we will be ok and stay in sl for 2019

keep the faith!

There will be plenty who agree with this, or at least won't disagree. Myself i have always thought a good coach will be able to get even ordinary players playing to their best, I have often sited Murphy and Brown in this respect, but i agree that the players have to want to do it.

There has been a pattern at Fartown for quite some time of players coming to us with good reputations and doing nothing at all, When they get moved on to other clubs many of them become good players once again, On the other side of that coin we have players like "Murphy for example" who never stops trying and get slated by some on here as letting us down .or not being good enough.

Others players have a couple of good games and they are talked of being legends and need signing for long contracts, a few months later they are mediocre, many we have let go as not being good enough only for them to become good players elsewhere and that just makes you think the coaching is to blame , but then we have had so many coaches, have they all been poor except for Murphy and Brown ?.
Anyway we are now bottom of the table, a position we got well used to a few seasons ago, only this time we will not be allowed to sit there season after season because there is no-one to take our place and we shall just have to live with the consequences " should it happen ".

We are certainly not 'too good to go down' even with our first choice team we lack creativity and have ageing/nowhere near good enough halfbacks. If things dont change i see us not even making the million pound game, we are the worst team in the competition by some distance with the team we have on the field at the moment. The players coming back will improve us for sure, but not in the key halfback area. We are in real trouble, make no mistake.

Oh i thoroughly agree, I am in no doubt about how difficult the middle 8 comp will be. Our main hope is for our players to be a lot fitter by then than they are now, and there are those who say forget about this league, we need to be thinking and preparing for those playoff's now.

I also agree with you about halfbacks, Brough has been one of the best buys at the club for many a long year, and has won us many a game almost on his own, However he has been whoefully short of a partner for much of that time which has resulted in everything going through him, and he may be as much to blame for that as anybody.

The answer though is not to keep signing players who have no track record ( at least Brough was a proven winner ) even if he is now well past his best, but hey ho in the affairs of the Giants we are in the wishing and hoping category and lets hope some of that comes about by the time we are in the fight for survival.

By the way I feel very sorry for Thurman a thoroughly decent bloke and a good player who has entered a huge storm not of his own making and is now becoming the fall guy for some fans and the club management who set him up.

With a new baby as well. He must be knackered!