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| Quote ="GIANT DAZ"Again, my argument is how are they supposed to get better if they are dropped back to the u19's if they don't produce miracles in one of their rare outings for the 1st team? James Roby/Daryl Clark/Rob Burrow etc probably didn't have undroppable performances in their 1st 4 or 5 games either !!!!'"
No- but they were the best Cas had-Leeming is not- neither is he as good as roby/Clarke..... Yet. I agree no point flogging 18 yr olds especially those playing in the middle of the park against 30 yr old prime prop forwards! I seem to remember roby needing resting as he had been "overused"
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| Quote ="GIANT DAZ"Again, my argument is how are they supposed to get better if they are dropped back to the u19's if they don't produce miracles in one of their rare outings for the 1st team? James Roby/Daryl Clark/Rob Burrow etc probably didn't have undroppable performances in their 1st 4 or 5 games either !!!!'"
I don't expect miracles but they have to show that they are the best option. Leeming did nothing against Cas that shows he is a better option than Wood or even Bailey in the hooking role. Comparing him to other players is irrelevant as everybody matures at different rates. ATEOTD the only people who know how ready he is for the first team, mentally and physically, are the coaching staff. He will either make it as a player or he won't but not playing him against Bradford will have no bearing on that whatsoever (and if it does then it shows the coaching staff were right).
As for getting better he will do that by training hard, listening to his coaches, getting advice from senior players, eating the right food, cutting bad habits ie junk food, alcohol, going out with his mates etc etc and knuckling down and being patient, not by throwing a strop cos he ain't picked two games in a row. Again whether he does all this only he and the coaching staff will know.
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| maybe if our under 19's were topping the league in their respective league they might be thought of as good enough..
currently 6th
usual suspects at the top, wire, leeds, saints, wigan.... funnly enough they seem to be the ones giving the youngsters a go..maybe because they are good enough to do so
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| Quote ="Mad_Jack_Mcmad"I don't expect miracles but they have to show that they are the best option. Leeming did nothing against Cas that shows he is a better option than Wood or even Bailey in the hooking role. Comparing him to other players is irrelevant as everybody matures at different rates. ATEOTD the only people who know how ready he is for the first team, mentally and physically, are the coaching staff. He will either make it as a player or he won't but not playing him against Bradford will have no bearing on that whatsoever (and if it does then it shows the coaching staff were right).
As for getting better he will do that by training hard, listening to his coaches, getting advice from senior players, eating the right food, cutting bad habits ie junk food, alcohol, going out with his mates etc etc and knuckling down and being patient, not by throwing a strop cos he ain't picked two games in a row. Again whether he does all this only he and the coaching staff will know.'"
Lots o god points in there Jack
But playing devils advocate
[i but they have to show that they are the best option.[/i
The enthusiasm and fire that some of the squad have indicated --Id suggest that they havent given outright evidence that they arent "droppable"
You may be correct in saying that they cant prove their "worth" without a decent run of a few games --and can we risk that ?
Similarly "name players" have been persistently played when their forms been "off" -and what that contributes to results is apparent
We Beat the better teams --and get defeats agains those below us
Great
I cant go along with picking a side based on players salary
If someone has a dip in form (it happens)- its OK saying "hes got to play through it"
And whilst we do -results suffer
If the youngsters try their best and cant keep their places- whats their goal ?
Oh yeah
Be patient be a good lad - sit in the wings and watch
Lets look at it from that angle
If it were you --had promise --were amongst the fringe players --but faced the "only to be used in an emergency" -Then is that any enthisiasm encouragement
If it were YOU - and you want to move on - and up - to the highest level --then I suggest if its not "happening" - you try find somewhere it can
We lose them -and the search for future replacements starts all over again with the identical scenario
If we trust the caoches -and we have to cos all the argiments on here wont change things- then -if the starlets" arent good enough in their eyes - let em go and ply their trade at THEIR LEVEL
They might have a higher opinion of themselves than is merited!
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It might be a sign of their confidence in their ability and a desire "not to be held back"
As has been said - players peak at various stages in their career
But a lad whose experience is at a lower level and on the "coaching pitch" can stagnate at the very period in his advancement where he`d blossom
We dont need hypothetical decisions
Give em a REASONABLE run of games and an opportunity to show what they can or cant do and the decision will stand out who are the ones who CAN and the ones who Cant and wont
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| Spot on again Rod. Problem is some of our fans arent happy unless they see a name on the teamsheet that they recognise. Me I'm happy to see a n other as long as he's giving it 100% for the shirt, Something some of the recognised names seem to be strughling to do this season.
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| Grix will be back in for connor today.. has connor done enough to keep his place?
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| First game perhaps, second game no. But on the plus side that's another 2 sl games under his belt.
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| Leeming got plenty of minutes under his belt today, went ok without being spectacular
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| One or two mistakes but by and large a good team performance.No slow start and all contributed in an 80 minutes performance,Well done lads.
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| anderson said on radio leeds today that he is "drip feeding" connor and leeming and the other young lads as they still have a lot to learn, i thought leeming did well today, nothing fancy but got involved a lot and got some more valuable game time under his belt
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| U19's play tonight up at ymca and Richard silverwood is reffing with James child! According to silverwood's twitter its a trial of two refs!
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| yes the under 19's taking on wigan, always a big test.... are our youngsters as good as wigans, we shall find out later
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| Hudds u19's 18 - 38 Wigan u19's on monday evening.
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| Wigan were a class above our guys at times, Jake Connor got sin-binned for lamping a Wigan player, Was impressed with the 2 wingers, Smithies at hookers at Morris at prop.
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| Jake connor best young prospect iv seen in a while. Just needs a boot up the as hes lazy !
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| great win by the under 19's to bear st helens recently!
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| Thorman gives a good shout to Darnell McIntosh in the Examiner - compares him to Cudjoe at the same stage of his career which is great praise.
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| Mcintosh was very impressive when i saw him...not just his all round play but his general reading of the game and how he was always shouting instructions at his centre & 2nd row .....seems a very good talent and only 16 too i believe ?.
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| Quote ="Unbeliever"Thorman gives a good shout to Darnell McIntosh in the Examiner - compares him to Cudjoe at the same stage of his career which is great praise.'"
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| Quote ="GIANT DAZ"Mcintosh was very impressive when i saw him...not just his all round play but his general reading of the game and how he was always shouting instructions at his centre & 2nd row .....seems a very good talent and only 16 too i believe ?.'"
Has he been playing on the wing? I've seen the last 2 games and both wingers look decent
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| Quote ="HuddsRL5"Has he been playing on the wing? I've seen the last 2 games and both wingers look decent'"
Yes, Mcintosh left wing and Jared Simpson right wing, i agree both have looked very impressive
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| Simpson been starting on wing and been moving to full back & Jake Connor to centre. Connor looking very good in centres. Mcintosh looks a good prospect. Lad called Mikey wood who plays at loose is going good too. He played for England u18s in May so must be some talent. We need to try & give these lads more game time even if it's 1 at a time
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| would have liked to have seen connor get another run out yesterday
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| Yes or just Connor on wing. Expect leroy to be back for wire so doubt he will play
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