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| Quote ="jools"Does brierley leave brough with too much to do- Or is it just that brough takes over? Brierley isn't really being given an opportunity to do much- just like Ellis wasn't. Ellis seems to be pulling the strings nicely and is leading with a very good kicking game at KR. Something he wasn't given much opportunity to do with us.
Brierley didn't miss a tackle on Thursday night and I can't say I've noticed him revolving - It's our right side edge of magilvary whos the revolver. Everyone keeps blaming his inside men but I'm not convinced- seems to me hes being wrong footed with the inside switch, he's been found out and every team is now utilising it and coming up trumps. I can't recall a competitive game where we haven't conceded down that side recently.'"
Watch our captain, that's where the problem is
He never puts the shoulder in, just jumps on players backs so offloads/passing are easy, exposing McG who has to come in and finish the tackle
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| Plenty of advice for RS there, every one has a view " why not" Whoever he picks" particularly in the pack" is going to need to step up from last week with the exception of the obvious two who did very well, The thing is though that despite them being far and away the best two forwards on the field, Salford still were making easy yards, and a lot more of them than we were, I don't know if the stats show that but that's certainly how it looked from the stand. Our line speed is so poor, that the opposition get a head start, Most teams can go best part of a field length in one set against us, so they are kicking from good position, Brough is often kicking from half way, so unless the fullback drops the ball, they are like passes.
I will be hoping to see a bit more speed and fire in defense this week whoever plays, Wakey are not going to be easy to beat, I think they are a far better team than they get credit for and they have some dangerous backs, I really can't call this game at all, I just hope we come out on top but i don't see any run away victory from either side.
Being honest, If both teams had scored from the chances they made last week we would have won the game, especially if Brough had been able to land the goals, He does have one of them days now and then but not many, so maybe we can look forward to them going over this week and overall i don't see Wakey as any stronger than Salford all round, so who knows, could be a real grinder.
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| According to the stats Salford made 30cm more per carry.
The go forward doesn't bother me so much as the defence.
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| would imagine smith will get a game this week as loose forward replacing injured lawrence.
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| last thing we need is a run of injury one good thing we do have cover for back row .
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| Quote ="djhudds"Lawrence out for 3 months'"
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| Quote ="hedgehog"Watch our captain, that's where the problem is
He never puts the shoulder in, just jumps on players backs so offloads/passing are easy, exposing McG who has to come in and finish the tackle'"
At last someone else sees it. I'm a Cas fan and said this on here maybe a year ago but Giants fans reaction was total rejection, verging on aggression. It really is Cudjoe that is the weaness in your right side defence, not McG.
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| I'd say a 62% tackle completion rate is worse than a 95% completion rate-Which is how it currently stands. Leroy misses more tackles over a season but makes many many more, last season he was our fifth highest tackler he made over 550 tackles and had a 93% tackle success rate so not sure how you can suggest he can't tackle. Compare that to mgilvary who had a 78% success rate and was required to make over 450 less tackles over the season.
no stats dont tell the whole story but it does tell some of it!
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| Quote ="jools"I'd say a 62% tackle completion rate is worse than a 95% completion rate-Which is how it currently stands. Leroy misses more tackles over a season but makes many many more, last season he was our fifth highest tackler he made over 550 tackles and had a 93% tackle success rate so not sure how you can suggest he can't tackle. Compare that to mgilvary who had a 78% success rate and was required to make over 450 less tackles over the season.
no stats dont tell the whole story but it does tell some of it!'"
Look at his tackling "technique", more times than not he jumps on the player's back or, on occasions tries to grab the shirt, allowing off loads. I don't see as much of your games, apart from when you are on telly or playing against Cas, but I can't honestly remember Cudjoe putting his shoulder into a tackle - can you?
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| Quote ="sarge1"Look at his tackling "technique", more times than not he jumps on the player's back or, on occasions tries to grab the shirt, allowing off loads. I don't see as much of your games, apart from when you are on telly or playing against Cas, but I can't honestly remember Cudjoe putting his shoulder into a tackle - can you?'"
He will do the things you say as many of his tackles he makes the effort to make- i.e. He chases the man down. Some of those don't come off- but other players wouldn't even get to attempt them.
20% of his tackles are marker tackles.
Yes I regularly see him putting his shoulder in. He probably works harder altogether than any other player in our side.
Most offloads, most tackle busts, second highest metres gained, 2nd highest try assists, 5th highest tackles, 4th highest marker tackles.
I can forgive him missing the odd tackle (5%) with that work rate! And if the player offloads then the tackle isn't complete so surely won't be on the stats for tackles made.
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| Quote ="jools"He will do the things you say as many of his tackles he makes the effort to make- i.e. He chases the man down. Some of those don't come off- but other players wouldn't even get to attempt them.
20% of his tackles are marker tackles.
Yes I regularly see him putting his shoulder in. He probably works harder altogether than any other player in our side.
Most offloads, most tackle busts, second highest metres gained, 2nd highest try assists, 5th highest tackles, 4th highest marker tackles.
I can forgive him missing the odd tackle (5%) with that work rate! And if the player offloads then the tackle isn't complete so surely won't be on the stats for tackles made.'"
So you think that your weakness on your right edge is:
A) Down to McG?
B) Your second row not covering?
C) Lack of understanding between Cudjoe & McG?
D) Another reason?
E) None of the above - what weakness?????
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| Quote ="sarge1"So you think that your weakness on your right edge is:
A) Down to McG?
B) Your second row not covering?
C) Lack of understanding between Cudjoe & McG?
D) Another reason?
E) None of the above - what weakness?????'"
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I have never been a fan of Cudjoe's tackling style my self, I have said so many times, He allows the attacker to get up alongside him and then drags him down from the side, This possibly gives McG the idea the man is through and he comes inside to make a tackle, If the attacker then gets the ball away, the winger is free and clear ( which seems to happen a fair bit )
Having said all that, we do look a poorer side without Cudjoe, especially on attack but something isn't just right down that side on defense, Maybe It's just as simple as Jerry trusting Leroy and staying out to cover his own man, Sure RS will be working on it.
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I have never been a fan of Cudjoe's tackling style my self, I have said so many times, He allows the attacker to get up alongside him and then drags him down from the side, This possibly gives McG the idea the man is through and he comes inside to make a tackle, If the attacker then gets the ball away, the winger is free and clear ( which seems to happen a fair bit )
Having said all that, we do look a poorer side without Cudjoe, especially on attack but something isn't just right down that side on defense, Maybe It's just as simple as Jerry trusting Leroy and staying out to cover his own man, Sure RS will be working on it.'"
Yes, on attack no problem. He seems to get the ball away to McG with regularity. It's only his tackling technique that I am commenting on.
I would have thought that one of your coaches would have addressed it before. As you say RS may be the one - hopefully!!!!
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| Wakefields ticket allocation sent to the club have been fully sold no idea how many that is but looks like some decentvsupport travelling.
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| Quote ="sarge1"Look at his tackling "technique", more times than not he jumps on the player's back or, on occasions tries to grab the shirt, allowing off loads. I don't see as much of your games, apart from when you are on telly or playing against Cas, but I can't honestly remember Cudjoe putting his shoulder into a tackle - can you?'"
i see almost every giants game and saying cudjoe cant defend is utter nonsense. one of the best in our team along with lawrence for tackling
cudjoe is an international player for england and also awarded fans and players player of the year last season
id say its more mcgillvarys defence the problem or the constant changing of second row / half back inside of cudjoe too so understanding could be a problem, wont get better with symonds out now!
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| Quote ="sarge1"So you think that your weakness on your right edge is:
A) Down to McG?
B) Your second row not covering?
C) Lack of understanding between Cudjoe & McG?
D) Another reason?
E) None of the above - what weakness?????'"
The way I see it- it's down to poor reads by mcgilvary. He often comes in too far leaving space on the edge, then has to charge across to cover the gap, he gets there but then the opposition man just cuts inside leaving jerry wrong footed and turning him, and the player is through, cudjoe is then damned as he can't make the tackle and cover his inside man against a pass. The numbers are right but jerrys positioning wrong.
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| Lawrence, Symonds and poss another key player injured for tomorrow night. Good test of the squad early doors.
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| Another?!
Is this still a conditioning issue?
Are we going to replace Walsh or not?
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| Quote ="jools"The way I see it- it's down to poor reads by mcgilvary. He often comes in too far leaving space on the edge, then has to charge across to cover the gap, he gets there but then the opposition man just cuts inside leaving jerry wrong footed and turning him, and the player is through, cudjoe is then damned as he can't make the tackle and cover the inside man against a pass. The numbers are right but jerrys positioning wrong.'"
I really don't get the mega defensive attitude of certain Giants fans when it comes to Cudjoe. If only he had the same attitude towards tackling ......lol
McG obviously doesn't have faith in him, so comes away from his wing when defending.
IMHO RS has a real job on his hands to work magic with him and teach him how to tackle, that none of your previous coaches could.
Here's hoping for Giants sake though.
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| Quote ="sarge1"I really don't get the mega defensive attitude of certain Giants fans when it comes to Cudjoe. If only he had the same attitude towards tackling ......lol
McG obviously doesn't have faith in him, so comes away from his wing when defending.
IMHO RS has a real job on his hands to work magic with him and teach him how to tackle, that none of your previous coaches could.
Here's hoping for Giants sake though.'"
How is having a 95% tackle rate not being able to tackle
I don't get this constant reference to him not being able to tackle- his success rate states otherwise.
I'm not saying he doesn't make mistakes- he does, many, just like brough does, just like jerry does but there's this unwritten rule it seems that you can only blame certain players but not others.
Mcgilvary doesn't have faith in a player who has a much better success rate than himself?
Perhaps he doesn't but hes misguided!
I've explained how I see it. In fact I can predict it before it happens. But then I only watch him every week....
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| Bugger!
So Darnell may well have to play FB with Gaskell at centre, otherwise we will have to draft Sam wood as a late edition into squad.
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| Quote ="jools"How is having a 95% tackle rate not being able to tackle
I don't get this constant reference to him not being able to tackle- his success rate states otherwise.
I'm not saying he doesn't make mistakes- he does, many, just like brough does, just like jerry does but there's this unwritten rule it seems that you can only blame certain players but not others.
Mcgilvary doesn't have faith in a player who has a much better success rate than himself?
Perhaps he doesn't but hes misguided!
I've explained how I see it. In fact I can predict it before it happens. But then I only watch him every week....'"
I get the fact that you dont agree with me - and quite a few of your own fans when I've spoken to the more
If you look back through the thread. I was only agreeing with one of your own on Cudjoe's defensive shortcomings.
I,ve explained how I see it too. your right edge is always vulnerable, mostly due to your Captain's suspect tackling technique.
Tell you what - we'll agree to disagree and I just hope RS hasn't managed to improve his defence when you play us.
All the best for the rest of the season.
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