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| Quote ="Jo Jumbuck"Wingers are a damn sight more plentiful than halves, But they are out there if whoever's job it is will put some effort into finding one.'"
He's our top try scorer, ball carrier, metre maker, tackle buster, clean break maker and has the highest average gain and in many of those it isn't even close. There aren't many wingers out there as good as Jerry and if he actually realises that the rest of Superleague is in trouble. Plus he's club trained. His value to this club is enormous.
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| Quote ="Jo Jumbuck"Wingers are a damn sight more plentiful than halves, But they are out there if whoever's job it is will put some effort into finding one.'"
So, which winger could we realistically get to replace Jerry if we had to ?
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| If he could stop conceding tries by improving his positioning he'd be in the England squad for sure.
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| Quote ="jools"If he could stop conceding tries by improving his positioning he'd be in the England squad for sure.'"
If he played for one of the 'big 4' yes...
Thing is... He finishes great and returns a ball like a forward but doesn't have that 'x factor' that Briscoe, Charnley, Burgess and Hall have. X factor being them special moments in open field creating as well as scoring try's out of nothing.
Wingers like Makinson, Lineham and Penny will probably be looked at before Mcgillvary too.
Sad because we know he'd put in a great effort and do a job for England but will probably never be picked.
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| there wasn`t a lot on when he got the ball on friday -and lethal from 15 -20 yds out !
........and yes he may step out of the line to stop an opposition move and miss them at times - but its as he sees it in that split second in play - not sat up in the stand !
He~ll do for me thanks and before charnley Lineham and Briscoe for starters! There have been star international wingers in the past with strong hand offs and pace to burn -but couldnt tackle /didnt want to - a paper bag!
He might make mistakes but anyone who gets involved as much as he does will - and theyre then noticed But you get 110% every game if nowt else!
Considering how long hes been playing the game just think what he could have been like
Then again with SOME posters on here he couldnt escape SOME criticism could he ? Wouldnt be fair to leave him out
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| Quote ="AntonyGiant"If he played for one of the 'big 4' yes...
Thing is... He finishes great and returns a ball like a forward but doesn't have that 'x factor' that Briscoe, Charnley, Burgess and Hall have. X factor being them special moments in open field creating as well as scoring try's out of nothing.
Wingers like Makinson, Lineham and Penny will probably be looked at before Mcgillvary too.
Sad because we know he'd put in a great effort and do a job for England but will probably never be picked.'"
Don't agree with any of this. In attack Mcgillvary has every bit as much x factor as all the above. Hall is the complete winger and is good in defence and a outstanding finisher but is not really noted for length of the field tries. Burgess, Charnley and Briscoe are all quality wingers and different sorts of player to Mcgillvary but would not say the are better attackers.
In defence though the above players are better.
And to suggest Penny would get an England call up before Mcgillvary is laughable.
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| I think there is something of the "x factor" with Jerry - when he gets the ball there's always that bit of a lift in the crowd which suggests they think something could happen. as for defence he has got caught out on occasions - all of the others named have also been caught out - but I also think he's often left in a no win situation by Cudjoe who has a worse habit of jumping out - I know, another argument there - and leaving him exposed. All the other wingers highlighted have qualities, but so does Jerry and I think he's as dangerous as any. By the way, I also realise he benefits from Cudjoe feeding him to finish off tries as well.
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| Quote ="the stella kid"Don't agree with any of this. In attack Mcgillvary has every bit as much x factor as all the above. Hall is the complete winger and is good in defence and a outstanding finisher but is not really noted for length of the field tries. Burgess, Charnley and Briscoe are all quality wingers and different sorts of player to Mcgillvary but would not say the are better attackers.
In defence though the above players are better.
And to suggest Penny would get an England call up before Mcgillvary is laughable.'"
Just my opinion on I think McBanana would pick for England over Mcgillvary. As said I'd love to see him in an England shirt and wouldn't replace him in a Giants shirt with any of the above name simply because of his heart he shows every time he takes the field.
But he's often out of the spot light.. Underrated.. He doesn't do the X factor things that get people talking. It's always about the play that got him the try not what he did individually.
Yet let's say Burgess got an identical try it'll be about how good he his.
The England coach won't take a chance on him and play it safe with the big teams star wingers.
It's very unlucky but it'll happen that way.
I'd think it would be different if he'd play or Leeds or Wigan.
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| Quote ="gazzagiant"I think there is something of the "x factor" with Jerry - when he gets the ball there's always that bit of a lift in the crowd which suggests they think something could happen. as for defence he has got caught out on occasions - all of the others named have also been caught out - but I also think he's often left in a no win situation by Cudjoe who has a worse habit of jumping out - I know, another argument there - and leaving him exposed. All the other wingers highlighted have qualities, but so does Jerry and I think he's as dangerous as any. By the way, I also realise he benefits from Cudjoe feeding him to finish off tries as well.'"
ah now dont go talking sense about mcgillvary having a quality centre inside off him
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| Quote ="jools"If he could stop conceding tries by improving his positioning he'd be in the England squad for sure.'"
I think that's very harsh, to be honest.
In previous seasons he did have a problem with his decision making, but this season he has been pretty spot on (bar a couple of occasions).
One could also argue that his decisions to come in unnecessarily may be down to a lack of confidence in his centre.
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| Quote ="Crackerjack"there wasn`t a lot on when he got the ball on friday -and lethal from 15 -20 yds out !
........and yes he may step out of the line to stop an opposition move and miss them at times - but its as he sees it in that split second in play - not sat up in the stand !
He~ll do for me thanks and before charnley Lineham and Briscoe for starters! There have been star international wingers in the past with strong hand offs and pace to burn -but couldnt tackle /didnt want to - a paper bag!
He might make mistakes but anyone who gets involved as much as he does will - and theyre then noticed But you get 110% every game if nowt else!
Considering how long hes been playing the game just think what he could have been like
Then again with SOME posters on here he couldnt escape SOME criticism could he ? Wouldnt be fair to leave him out
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Well I haven't at any time criticised McGillvrey, in fact the opposite if anything, I do recognise his weakness is his defence, but that's not a criticism it's just recognising a fact, Most players have weaker parts to their game, few have the complete game.
Nowhere have I suggested we shouldn't keep him, but as yet I have seen nothing that says we are about to lose him. I was pointing out that we have positions that need far more urgent attention.
Fair enough I introduced this on a thread about McGillvrey which is the wrong thread, and in fact nobody cares anyway about a halfback, nobody is bothered that we have scored probably 300 points less than the leading team and a lot lot less than some of the others, It's just easier to keep trotting out the same old, We are doing ok , Their are no Halves to be had, why would they want to come to the Giants, we are in the playoffs what more do you want.
So sign him up for the next five years , make him long term and then we are safe.
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| Quote ="GiantMisterE"I think that's very harsh, to be honest.
In previous seasons he did have a problem with his decision making, but this season he has been pretty spot on (bar a couple of occasions).
One could also argue that his decisions to come in unnecessarily may be down to a lack of confidence in his centre.'"
Lack of confidence in leroys tackling??? Really? But then yes seeing as many on here claim leroy can't tackle
Catalans first try was a direct result of Jerry getting the defensive read completely wrong. It's the next area of his game that needs work.
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| Quote ="jools"Lack of confidence in leroys tackling??? Really? But then yes seeing as many on here claim leroy can't tackle
Catalans first try was a direct result of Jerry getting the defensive read completely wrong. It's the next area of his game that needs work.'"
Actually the first try was because the whole defensive line to our right numbered up wrong and Cats had an overlap on our right, leaving Leroy and Jerry to mark 4 players
Go back and watch the replay and look at our line, any good pass would have put them in down that side and nothing anyone could do
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| Quote ="Code13"Actually the first try was because the whole defensive line to our right numbered up wrong and Cats had an overlap on our right, leaving Leroy and Jerry to mark 4 players
Go back and watch the replay and look at our line, any good pass would have put them in down that side and nothing anyone could do'"
Regardless of the numbers IMO Jerry was stood too far infield too close to leroy. he could almost touch leroy if he'd outstretched his arm. If he's been a little further out between them they could have covered more of the field and perhaps forced them to pass back inside by which point our defence could have slid across.
We seem to concede on his outside a fair bit.
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| So he sticks to his line and Cats throw a shorter ball that splits the pair and were all complaining that Jerry was too wide - simple fact is we numbered up wrong and the winger gets the blame for the centre defenders not moving up
All teams have a side they like to attack down, usually the left side as its the most natural side to pass to
This means Leroy and Jerry face the most attacks from the best strike players in an opposition side
It's why Murphy scores so many because it's our prefferred line of attack
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| Ive not said he should stick to his line- but he was too close to leroy. If Jerry is further out between them they cover more of the field. Just MO. may not have made a difference- but a shorter ball forces the players to come back inside and cover is coming across.
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| Dress it up all you want, we numbered up wrong and a quality stand off like Carney will exploit it all day long
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| Quote ="Code13"Dress it up all you want, we numbered up wrong and a quality stand off like Carney will exploit it all day long'"
Well whoever is to blame it's gone on long enough, you would think someone on the coaching staff would have noticed.
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| some people forget that we've got the best defence is SL and for the last few seasons we've been there or there abouts with conceding the least try's throughout the season. Everyone has faults in their game but generally Jerry is up there with the best in both attack and defence and the team stats will prove this. Mistakes will always happen in sport as you've got a split second to think and this will sometimes results in trys being scored or bombed.
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| A conversation between Ferres and Cudjoe on Twitter earlier.
@BrettFerres11: Congrats on the new deal @Elroy_cudj so that's the marquee money gone. Top player n great bloke. Great news wens the BBQ to celebrate #money
@Elroy_cudj: @BrettFerres11 lol, no marquee status think there saving it for another homegrown player
That would suggest Jerry will be signing to me.
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| Quote ="FARTOWNFORLIFE"A conversation between Ferres and Cudjoe on Twitter earlier.
@BrettFerres11: Congrats on the new deal @Elroy_cudj so that's the marquee money gone. Top player n great bloke. Great news wens the BBQ to celebrate #money
@Elroy_cudj: @BrettFerres11 lol, no marquee status think there saving it for another homegrown player
That would suggest Jerry will be signing to me.'"
Nah... Tom Hemmingway is returning
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| So,Jerry is leaving and we let Broughton go? Don't think so. Get a grip people.
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| excellent again last night, on the tv too, surely got to be in the england squad now
pleased for cudjoe too as he had a good game too and if we do reach the final he could also get his place back
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| "2 Liam Farrells,there's only 2 Liam Farrell's" when he scored
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| Quote ="moggie"some people forget that we've got the best defence is SL and for the last few seasons we've been there or there abouts with conceding the least try's throughout the season. Everyone has faults in their game but generally Jerry is up there with the best in both attack and defence and the team stats will prove this. Mistakes will always happen in sport as you've got a split second to think and this will sometimes results in trys being scored or bombed.'"
If you read other boards you'll see a lot of people calling out the defensive frailties of quite a few of our players. As you say, best defence in the league so they must be doing something right.
If you wanted an SL team to defend for your life, you'd pick the Giants.
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