Not really as I don't support hudds but as an impartial observer I can give an unbiased opinion and that wigan were far worse than hudds at slowing down the PTB but you got away with it and they didn;t in that 2nd half. No way did wigan not infringe the rules for over half an hour but they got away with it and the ref gifted you the 2 points. You are absolutely awful to watch

I see mar has opened his big gob again and said PA should be fined for speaking out!! The sooner this buffoon leaves our game the better, I for one will throw a party when this gob disappears back down the hole he appeared from.

Unfortunately,I think a lot of the things we complain about are now part of the game,and maybe we as a team need to move forward and play smarter and perhaps get some of these tricks going ourselves. I don't particularly like the idea,but if you can't beat them....
Referees have a tough gig,and see at as bias or not,but Shaun Wane did more damage to the referees credibility last night with his smug smirk when questioned than Anderson did with his responses. He has insinuated that his actions changed the running of the game...which is what PA questioned. I like Shaun Wane,great coach and usually a great watch in his post match interview due his honesty and sportsmanship, however he let himself down last night.

Gelling did NOT take Murphy into touch- the replay clearly showed that- it also clearly showed gelling trying to get him into touch by ragging him round his neck! So actually even if he had gone it touch should have been a penalty to us. Oh and it was a charge down his arms were up in the air to stop the ball, not outstretched to tackle the player.
Cheating? - perhaps not. influencing? - most certainly.

Bottom line is you know you are gonna get nowt from a ref when you go to Wigan,that's just the way it is.

We Lost get over it.

I say it every week if we are two scores better than the opposition the refs don't matter.

We could have Ben leading by 20 points if we had taken our chances in the first half.

We lost because we did not take our Chances and making too many mistakes in the first 40

Well said, just be becomes a bit self deflating this after a while. Nothing's going to be changed, lets move on. Challenge cup game is looking more and more like a seasons make or break game for both us and Leeds.

Wigan did a great job on the referee. They questioned and he reacted in the second half. For me only 2 play the balls should have resulted in a penalty. Wigan are masters at the play the ball area , and if you notice one player on the open side seems to always get up at exactly the balls played restricting options and a slow pass.

The Giants problem is Bully Boy Anderson. What a sour loser he is Brough was excellent post match but PA again failed to highlight deficiencies in his own players` performances by taking swipes at the Ref who of course cannot respond.

Next weeks game is huge.

Who isn't a sore loser? If your not sore about losing you don't deserve to win because you don't really want to win enough.

Perhaps pa would rather highlight any deficiencies in his players in private rather than in public....

Your problem Jools is that you are too close to the situation. Anderson is taking you nowhere which is sad with the talent you have. Once a prop - always a prop. Durham Giant is the man on here who says it as it is rather than what you would like it to be.

anderson didnt actually blame the loss on the ref, he just wondered why the game was reffed differently in the second half when the teams played the same way but one got 7 pens and the other 1 pen and two sin bins.

also he said the loss was also down to our own doing not being there with our completion rate

but what gets highlighted by the media is another thing and the questions are put to him about the ref

Well he couldn't blame injuries this time could he? I mean wigan had around 7 regular first teamers missing and we had 2 (i don't count grix, because his replacement was far better), and yet they still managed to beat us.. in the last ten minutes.. again

Seems like Joe had another good game at Widnes, Denis Betts will be the next to 'cop' a fine

Thought he would have been running the line in Championship 1, but what do I know?

yep another nightmare at widnes

betts will have a fine on the way too

Well our Joe must like Wigan.

Tomkins and Hardaker committed the same offence a professional foul both were penalised Hardaker went to the bin Tomkins didn't wouldn't have made any difference to the result but highlights the inconsistent refereeing in the game today !!

I must admit, the one in the very next set, due to losing ball, by the Wigan player had me shouting at the screen. I'd love to know why he thought one was 10 and the other wasn't.

Liked the consistency of the refs over interference at play the ball.Made the game a lot quicker and I did not notice any complaints from players

He doesn't like us at all does he ??

His policing of the offside was shocking, how many penalties have Saints to concede to get a team warning.

He saw Symonds obstruction but not Wilkins on Cudjoe or the other in the second half but we deserve to lose but he doesn't deserve being a Superleague ref on what I've seen of him !!

Spotted our forward passes too and when Brough speak as to the ref bang sin bin half the Saints team were at it today, LMS, Walsh, Wilkin, Lomax et all lease keep him away from the middle 8's

On recent showings please keep him away from R L or send him a 10metre tape and some specs!

We were dire --but he was worse!

poor ref, what was the point in running over to the linesman for the first try to have a chat then running back to award it again? the linesman obv has something to say, poss that it was offside!! but still


but when your bottom of the league you dont get the calls im afraid

Classic 'slow ruck skinny 10' from Cobbhead the ........

It was as poor a refereeing display i've seen for a long time, he completely lost control of the ruck and the offsides, for both teams i will add,allowed many forward passes, high shots and other misdemeanours go, but then pulled random ones up which we nowhere near as bad.
He seemed to be totally bullied by LMS, Wilkin and Walsh and just seemed oblivious to what both teams were doing, although saints were far worse.
No sour grapes, he didn't influence the result, we saw to that ourselves, but had we won i would have said the same!

Hope Silvers comes back soon,he dunt allow any slowing down of the ruck.