Strikes me as a case of "damned if they do, damned if they dont"

How it is not logical is beyiond me. BUT when a poster writes something like this

Watson wrote


as for the giants in the community,in the 3 years he has been playing the game. at the end of season presentation a member of the giants squad were supposed to turn up at the event,but in 3 years none has turned up
yet we have had bradford,leeds,wakefield and dewsbury players turn up every year.


That would suggest to me that the poster believes that a Giants player should have turned up at their teams presenttion night but in 3 years has failed to do so but that players from 4 of our rivals have.

Now maybe the poster is
A wrong and a player has turned up but watson did not see them ( possible with Robinson if they have high tables.)

B The giants player was not invited.

C The giants were invited to attend but for whatever reason could not attend.

Now whichever way you put it there would appear to be something that from the point of view of communication has gone wrong which could be done better. Where the responsibility lies i do not know, BUT, If Dewsbury , Wakefield, Bradford and Leeds players turn up then it would seem reasonable or Logical to think that those clubs feel they can get something out of it.

Marsden do you think that maybe the club is missing a trick here or is it impossible for you to accept ant criticism whatsoever about the club no matter how mild or well intentioned that it may be.

The general point i am making is that IMHO the club should be involved in EVERY single aspect of RL that they can be within our catchment area .All of this contact helps to build up the bond between the club and the community. Whether this helps the club build up its supporter base, energises the supporters it has or hopefully attract younger players to the club, the club benefits.

The players signing Autographs prior to games is a good example of this as is them acknowledging the fans at the end of games. My son was made up when he got to shake Andy Raleighs hand and got his shirt autographed. If that feeling is multiplied by 30 players , over a season with thousands of kids then it is a good thing.

Whilst it is a good thing that you know of one player who does a lot of this i would feel happier if you were saying i know of 10 who do it.

I have no idea of what goes into players contracts but i would have thought that there should / would be something in there about promo work on behalf of the club.

If it was up to me i would make sure that every single club in the Kirklees area ( particularly kids teams )be contacted and told that if they want a suad player for their presentation night then they will get one.

As for Salendine Nook i cannot remeber all the details but even a letter of support to be read out to the team or a congratulations or a few free tickets would be much better publicity and a more coordinated targetting marketing approach than some of the other things that appear to go on.

To me it is just really a case of the club doing everything that it can to create a strong base of kids who are bonded to the club at an early stage and to then maintain that so they become the lifeblood of the club in the future. In this respect EVERY single opportunity to engage with the kids should be taken.

Good points Mick but come on, do you know how many junior clubs there are in Kirklees?

TBH i would have thought Shaw Cross would have come under maybe a Dewsbury player doing it but i see where your going with this.

The players have only just started coming over to shake hands, sign autographs etc this season, a step in the right direction imho.

This club has come on leaps and bounds over the last 5 years and i think we're just starting to do things right off the pitch now but give it some time for every little aspect to be covered


Yours

Ken Davy

A few years back now squad players regularly turned up at my daughters infant school and joined in with lessons and even helped at the summer fair they held.

This has since stopped but at least my young daughter is a big fan of the giants since she read a story to big Eorl.

It would be a massive shame if this work is not still going on elsewhere as it did seem to have a big impact.

I know fringe players were out last summer in infacts schools

Thanks for going over a single event in considerable detail.

However.....I have not read a post that provides some detailed evidence that since the Giants got a licence they have 'forgotten the community game'. In particular the poster who made the claim did not provide it when he /she had the chance.

As for your last sentence I did write earlier:

"If it is based on fact it is fair criticism. Otherwise it is criticism without evidence - which I have called muck raking."

HTH.

I think schools use the learning centre at the stadium throughout term time and players go along 1 or 2 times a week to meet the children.

Think?

Or do they

think.

So you cant give us facts then




MG poor form 4/10

Did not claim to provide specifics...thus...'I think'.

If only I had been willing to bag the club with no facts...that would have been acceptable and may have got me 9/10

See thats where we differ, i see no one bagging the club, someone just stating an opinion, you are way too picky with words and you know it



I would have said it seems as opposed to forgotten which im presuming the poster probably meant but like me what you write and what you mean doesnt always come across



Now stop being such a picky ******

We're all on the same side though you wouldnt think that most of the time




Yours in hope


Lee

I know it is 'picky' to ask someone who says the club have forgotten about the community game since getting a licence to provide actual evidence. ho hum.

I'll ring the club up and get figures for the schools, im gonna guess its lower than last year(pre franchise), the other 2 points he made stand, he named names and mentioned the zone, by your own admission you "think" schools use it

That good enough?

No - can you also ask if there is a direct link between Giants getting a Franchise and any reduction.

In response to severl posts about not seeing Giants players at clubs etc - maybe they get less free time because of increased training or a more regimented regime. I'd rather have the lads performing on the field than in panto!

Not sure what you mean there Wadski, do you mean do we do less know we have the franchise?

No - I mean that this is no tangible link between us getting a franchise and a reduction in the community team.

Its an improvement. However the original poster should be doing this spade work BEFORE making 'accusations.'

Not clear which 2 points you are refering to?

When DMH wrote that ALL activities are at the Zone this is wrong. Totally untrue. Utter nonsense.

Also DMH refers to Lisa Jagger leaving the club. that was 3/4 years ago! What on earth does that have to do with the community work since a licence was awarded? Smacks of muck raking rather than reason.

I give up, your either being an argumentive sod for the sake of it or you just aint reading whats been written



Doesnt seem like they mentioned Lisa leaving recently



That not true then? Name me any other places it takes place at? Apart from Leeds road in the summer months which just replaces the Zone



Were Ryan and Mick the community officers and know there's only Ryan so thats a 50% cut.

Are you staying on this stuck record or actually write some facts to prove the poster wrong?


Just like i posted the other week, sometimes on here its gets tedious and boring with this relentless point scoring bollox cos i know more than you do rubbish

Its boring mate

Post something to counter their claims or give it a rest till they come back and answer for themselves and we can move forward with this "debate"

I think can answer most of those questions by reading the community section of the Giants club website as to why and how it has changed.

lock it - its boring pointscoring bollox !!

So you use the word "think" so as not be specific, the other poster uses the word "seem". Where's the difference?



Isn't semantics great (perhaps)!

I think this is done

Richard Thewlis said

"I believe Rugby League’s strengths to be in its community values and fabulous playing spectacle. On Saturday we will see both perfectly showcased at our ground. We have ten local teams playing under 8 curtain raisers prior to the main event then at half time have 20 schools demonstrating their cheerleading prowess all of which have come from our community departments involvement in the local areas. The game speaks for itself in terms of profile and its great that our main broadcast partner has chosen to televise it.”