Here we go the old injury excuse. It a 30 man game these days and frankly those missing only a couple would seriously make a difference.

We were missing a few but imho only Randall possibly made a difference.

Over all it was the right result - I expected Hudds to dig in against us because they always do. However player for player there is a slight superiority in players in wakefields favour. It's not huge but it doesn't need to be.

What is certain is that it will be a very tight this seaon I see no easy beats but for teams like us to reach top 8 we'll need to pick off the weaker teams to build up the points.

You look decent enough to trouble the top 8 as do we but for now it's pure speculation based on a friendly and in my experience they are a lousy guide to real form.

You are off your rocker. Only a couple would make a difference?

3 of our starting back line were out in McGilvary, Cudjoe and McIntosh. McGilvary one of best wingers in world replacing Ormsby probably the worst winger in SL would have made a huge difference alone and I hope to never see that lad in a Giants shirt again hes that bad. Cudjoe our club captain and best centre would also make a difference.

Ikahihifo was a dream team prop last season and would have also made a massive difference.

Leeming - our best hooker would have also made a difference.

Wakeman, Symonds and Mellor would not have made much difference to the game.

I think Wakeman will make a difference - he’s lost his excess weight by the looks, but not his overall size. he was starting to come into his own last year and with a full preseason with us will be stronger. Also our props are a weak area for me. Walne has looked ordinary. I’d play matty no question- he deserves a go as he’s looked our best forward In The last two games- having said that Ateotd friendlys mean jack.

will say one thing

roche will not make it as a regular super league player from what ive seen, hope he proves me wrong! early days and was signed as a project but not seen much to say he will make the jump up

Cheers. Agree with that.

No 10 Matty English.

Anyone know our No 30 playing at Wakey?

Squad no 30 is Ormsby .

If Wakeman has lost weight he will be even worse than last year. He got totally dominated in the games i saw him play for Italy in the world cup, driven backwards further than he went forward. Too lightweight for a prop, Stone's one bad signing i'm afraid.

Friendly's are there to warm up for the season and nothing more. We have all known teams get beaten by 40+ in a friendly and win their first few games of the season and visa versa.

I feel the same

30 was Ormsby- he had a shocker- not sure what game the wakey fan was watching- or how many he’d had but he’s wrong with that number as one having a good game. He knocked on twice early in the tackle near our own line, and some woeful man on man defence. Could be talking about 20 who was Smith -he did have a decent game.

I was trying to be polite. He’s not lost size weight he’s lost excess “weight” ie no belly. He’s got the right kind of weight now!

No but you clearly are, it's a friendly - get a grip.

Ok, no Huby for us would have made a difference especially against you lot, No Randell for us, would have made a difference, no James Batchelor always great to watch - anyone can play that card.