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| Quote ="fartownforever"Sorry I can not go on if you cannot grasp it then I feel very sorry, the idea is that nobody has a controlling share have I missed some thing please explain I am at a loss.Giants did play a game for Town convenience it was against Catalan so it only effected Giants fans.'"
Perhaps if you were a bit more specific in your cack handed explanation things might be a bit more clearer, you really seem confused because you admit that you HAD to change a game to accommodate the mighty Terriers because presumably with them having twice as many shares as you they get first call, then go on to say nobody has controlling interest, which is it Einstein
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| So...in summary
The giants are owners of the stadium
No one wants to touch the toilet Wakefield call a ground and they might be homeless at any time
As for well run...lol
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| Quote ="Code13"So...in summary
The giants are owners of the stadium
No one wants to touch the toilet Wakefield call a ground and they might be homeless at any time
As for well run...lol'"
No in summary you pay to play there have a minority stake and will play second fiddle to the towns football team.
Let's not forget the only reason you play there at all is town. Had there been no football team there would have been no new ground. So just like all those times you finished bottom and never got relegated you have had more than your fair share of good luck
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| How many times is it now that they've finished bottom of the pile?????..... 10 ??????.........11 ?????............got to be a record however many............you'd think a club thats had a many "lives" as them would have a bit more respect for a club that has earned everything they've ever had..........as for them finishing above us.............I'll new very surprised if they win more than 1 game from here..........
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| Quote ="Code13"So...in summary
The giants are owners of the stadium
No one wants to touch the toilet Wakefield call a ground and they might be homeless at any time
As for well run...lol'"
You must have been a decent player in your time with a sidestep like that, the issue is your rented ground with a 20% share of nothing unless it's sold, you can't have much of a defence if you have deflect your argument by bringing our problems into it to bypass your up coming problems with the terriers.
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| fixtures and dates announced wednesday....
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| Quote ="Tricky2309"Sorry all it would mean is you were entitled to 20% of the sale proceeds as you have no controlling interest with only 20%. If town increased their ownership to 80% then they could certainly change the terms of the arrangements.
You will be playing second fiddle now town are premier league you even had to cancel a game when town weren't playing there!'"
To get 80% HTFC would either have to buy the council's 40% share or the Giants 20 and 20 from the council, doubt either would give up their part or HTFC would have the money to do that.
We didn't 'cancel' it, it was us who requested the change due to the stadium staff going to Wembley.
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| Quote ="Code13"So...in summary
The giants are owners of the stadium
No one wants to touch the toilet Wakefield call a ground and they might be homeless at any time
As for well run...lol'"
Not quite true, the owner wants to touch it - he wants them out so they can build houses on it !
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| Quote ="brearley84"fixtures and dates announced wednesday....'"
Hope the away games are do-able by train.
The home games are 3 local derbies so i will hope the club ( with Bri Blacker and Eorl now in charge of marketing) come up with something to entice the paying speccies, a ticket deal for all 3 or something along the lines.
Also hope we target the town fans, they're in a good mood at the moment and as long as we don't mention the S word we may be able to tempt a few to come to these.
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| Quote ="GIANT DAZ"Not quite true, the owner wants to touch it - he wants them out so they can build houses on it !'"
Sorry to spoil your story, but they can't build houses on it.
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| Quote ="chissitt"Sorry to spoil your story, but they can't build houses on it.'"
The key phrase being "wants to"
Your assertion they "can't" build houses on it is based on what?
It was said developers couldn't build on the lindley moor green belt land....
Hundreds being built there as we speak...
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| Are jools...........farttown..........bigdaz........and jakeyigeteverythingwrong relatives via inbreeding............iq of 15 between em ........
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| Quote ="GIANT DAZ"To get 80% HTFC would either have to buy the council's 40% share or the Giants 20 and 20 from the council, doubt either would give up their part or HTFC would have the money to do that.
We didn't 'cancel' it, it was us who requested the change due to the stadium staff going to Wembley.'"
Daz can you explain why a company owned by Dean Hoyle lodged various charges over the stadium on the 12 April 2017 where his company are noted as lenders to KDSL?
In addition in the last filed accounts the stadium was valued at just over 18m a figure which depreciated by c1m on the 2015 accounts figure and KDSL made a loss of 227k in the 2016 financial year.
Therefore 40% of the stadium value is c7.2m (probably less when this years reduced value is taken into account) and they reckon getting into the premier league is worth 200m. Even if town go straight back down they get 3 years parachute payments worth another c90m.
Consequently, it is utter folly to say town don't have the money and it looks like their chairman is already making moves to secure the asset or at least control it.
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| No i can't, i'm a rugby fan not a business man, i was only going on what i've been told in the past.
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| Quote ="GIANT DAZ"No i can't, i'm a rugby fan not a business man, i was only going on what i've been told in the past.'"
Just pointing out that your clubs position may not be as secure as you think and that some of your fans taking the pee out of Wakey and stating you own your ground may want to do some research before they come on all holier than thou
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| It's a huge white elephant for us, i would be delighted for Mr Town to spend some of his clubs huge financial windfall on buying us a new stadium, as Town fans keep telling us he is going to now they are 'in the prem'.
I'm not quite sure it would be allowed to happen though as as part of the original deal i'm pretty sure it was a deal that meant it had to remain a shared stadium, again though i'm not privvy to any business deal, i just turn up once a fortnight and once during the football season and watch games there!.
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| Quote ="Tricky2309"Daz can you explain why a company owned by Dean Hoyle lodged various charges over the stadium on the 12 April 2017 where his company are noted as lenders to KDSL?
In addition in the last filed accounts the stadium was valued at just over 18m a figure which depreciated by c1m on the 2015 accounts figure and KDSL made a loss of 227k in the 2016 financial year.
Therefore 40% of the stadium value is c7.2m (probably less when this years reduced value is taken into account) and they reckon getting into the premier league is worth 200m. Even if town go straight back down they get 3 years parachute payments worth another c90m.
Consequently, it is utter folly to say town don't have the money and it looks like their chairman is already making moves to secure the asset or at least control it.'"
They can have as much money as they like. But under the terms of the agreement no side can sell or buy any shares in the stadium without agreement from all the other parties.
Sorry to pee on your parade and all that.
(Oh- p.s. KSDL has on its board of directors dean Hoyle, ken Davy, Richard thewlis, and Julian winter)
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| Quote ="jools"They can have as much money as they like. But under the terms of the agreement no side can sell or buy any shares in the stadium without agreement from all the other parties.
Sorry to pee on your parade and all that.
(Oh- p.s. KSDL has on its board of directors dean Hoyle, ken Davy, Richard thewlis, and Julian winter)'"
Did you miss the part where a company owned by Dean Hoyle has lent KSDL money against the stadium and that as part of the agreement his company as lender have a say in various things relating to the stadium and can take ownership in the event of default
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| Quote ="Tricky2309"Did you miss the part where a company owned by Dean Hoyle has lent KSDL money against the stadium and that as part of the agreement his company as lender have a say in various things relating to the stadium and can take ownership in the event of default'"
Did you miss the bit where the 88m group own all 100% of Belle Vue and the attached land ?? It's owner is Manni Hussein.
It was for sale at £600,000 but the club didn't buy it did they ??
If Carter pulls out of BV and goes to Dewsbury or somewhere else it's something Huddersfield RLFC have never done they've always played in the Town.
So thanks for being so vigilant about our part ownership of the John Smiths perhaps it's because you dont have any ownership in your own.
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| Quote ="Tricky2309"Did you miss the part where a company owned by Dean Hoyle has lent KSDL money against the stadium and that as part of the agreement his company as lender have a say in various things relating to the stadium and can take ownership in the event of default'"
PS... Maybe if you shared with a football club and the Council you'd be staying at Belle Vue.
But hey maybe you dropped the Wildcat to become the Wakefield Trinity Rams next year
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| Quote ="fartown since 1961"Did you miss the bit where the 88m group own all 100% of Belle Vue and the attached land ?? It's owner is Manni Hussein.
It was for sale at £600,000 but the club didn't buy it did they ??
If Carter pulls out of BV and goes to Dewsbury or somewhere else it's something Huddersfield RLFC have never done they've always played in the Town.
So thanks for being so vigilant about our part ownership of the John Smiths perhaps it's because you dont have any ownership in your own.'"
Yes us wakey fans know all that so we don't pretend we own our own ground or start saying that they can't get us out even when the evidence is in the public domain that the local football teams owner has lent the stadium company money against the stadium and can take ownership if there is a default
carter was going to bid for BV but was discouraged from doing so by Rodney walker who told him York court were going to secure it and by the club bidding it would only push the price up. Something else that is in the public domain. Like I said before if you are going to comment on things do some research first
This week is a key week for Wakey and IF a solution can be found we won't be leaving Wakefield to play other than away games. In addition, as the only professional sports team in the actual city we won't have to worry about being turfed out of any new community stadium that MAY get built.
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| Quote ="fartown since 1961"PS... Maybe if you shared with a football club and the Council you'd be staying at Belle Vue.
But hey maybe you dropped the Wildcat to become the Wakefield Trinity Rams next year
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Now that football team is in the premiership let's see how long they want to continue to share and whose fixtures take priority. Wigan Athletic were in the Championship and still an RL game was cancelled so they could play a fixture instead so what chance do you have ?
Also just remind me which club was merged with Sheffield and played some games there before asset stripping and going back to just playing in their own town not long after getting a big cheque from the RFL?
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| Quote ="Tricky2309"Now that football team is in the premiership let's see how long they want to continue to share and whose fixtures take priority. Wigan Athletic were in the Championship and still an RL game was cancelled so they could play a fixture instead so what chance do you have ?
Also just remind me which club was merged with Sheffield and played some games there before asset stripping and going back to just playing in their own town not long after getting a big cheque from the RFL?'"
Again mate get your facts right Sheffield Eagles were £1.4 million in debt had just virtually given their no 1 asset Keith Senior to Leeds and the Rugby League were desperate not to have them go bankrupt.
If that big fat cheque had been ours do you not think we might have invested it in better players ?
The reason the games came back to Huddersfield were virtually no one from Sheffield turned up and the rent to play the match their was a fortune.
The only other asset worth stripping was Mark Aston but he formed the new club so as most of us die hard fans suspected it did no one any good in the long run.....
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| Quote ="Tricky2309"Did you miss the part where a company owned by Dean Hoyle has lent KSDL money against the stadium and that as part of the agreement his company as lender have a say in various things relating to the stadium and can take ownership in the event of default'"
Haha- you perhaps need to look into this in a bit more detail. Ken Davy is a very clever business man- far too clever to put the club in a situation where what you suggest could happen. As I have already said ken Davy and others on the Giants board are on the KSDL board. They are lending money to themselves why would they default on that. Happens all the time- you might want to look into Huddersfield sporting pride and the simplybiz companies.....
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| I think you need to do some research farty as your version of events couldn't be further from the truth........you had finished bottom of the pile (again).............your parasitic club saw a way (again) to wriggle out of it.........and for a £1.25m bonus thrown in...........the plan was to play half of the games at Brammal lane and half at hudds............as for the playing strength..........Sheffield had by far the better squad..........highlited by the league positions.........with Eagles 10th (11 points better off) and you in your customary propping up pose..........only 1 game was actually played in Sheffield..........you stripped them of all their assets..........and guess what happened...........yes..........you finished bottom (yet again).............and we're saved........ (yet again) ...............due to the merger..........
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