If I give you a pound will you tell me what they said? In the interests of being "totally honest and open"


Not everyone lives in Huddersfield or can get to HGSA meetings

So either way we have to pay for the info.

I've posted on here in the past the gist of what has been said but it is usually dismissed or challenged by folk who (think they) know better so i stopped bothering, may as well have them as our guests as they seem to know the club and the RL world a lot better.

And if a guest hasn't asked specifically for what they've told us not to be banded around then i'll happily say something as do other people who were present.

A lot of the times stuff said is either personal thoughts or stuff from within the club that probably isn't for general listening as it were and obviously as an association it's not really fair for our member to go and get the guest 'into trouble' by saying "he said, she said" when they've requested it not to be.

In a nutshell the coaching side of the club acknowledge there have been issues/problems stemming from previous regimes and the way they chose to do things. This is something that has been pinpointed and is been worked on and it will take time to get things how the current team want it...be that training regimes, strength and conditioning, players attitudes and what they were allowed to get away with compared to what the new team want from them, structures within the game plan etc
One thing that has been stressed is that there isn't a 'bad egg' among them like some have suggested but more a case of certain people not doing enough, which again is hoping to be eradicated.
The players have reacted well to Rick and his team and are 'towing the line' in regards to his instructions.
Without naming individuals and what has been said about or by them, i and others who have heard from people within the club i'm sure have the utmost confidence that things will be different.
Rick needs time to stamp his mark on the club and mend it ...and that requires everyone else, the board, the players, the other members of the backroom team and of course the supporters to trust him with what he wants to do and be patient.
There is a lot to change and it won't happen overnight.

As i've said it isn't just for HGSA members ears but this is what we do - we provide speakers for our meetings, to entertain our members. We're not journalists trying to grab the latest rumour or big gossip story for all and sundry.

I realise not everyone lives in Huddersfield, and for those we can try and highlight what has been said in our Examiner column and brief on here, but a lot do and there is nothing stopping them becoming members and coming along themselves to hear what gets said. We have to respect the clubs and the individuals wishes at times.

Great post Daz.
You've explained that very well.
Hopefully the supporters will get behind the club and embrace what Rick Stone is trying to do.

Sorry , that was not meant as a criticism, My point was that there has been endless years of settling for survival and less.
It is not only the club and players that need to lift their sights , "after our close brush with possible oblivion".
We have to shake off this attitude of ,We are punching above our weight.

You say Top 8 would be a vast improvement on this season, That's obviously very true, Finishing 11th would be an improvement, A place in the Grand final would be even vaster. We start with a clean sheet and spend the same as the rest , Let's get rid of this " we know our place attitude ".

I totally agree.

My view is that Top 8 is the minimum requirement for the season.

Top 4 is where we should expect to be. Winning the whole damn thing should be the aim and something that is achieved at least every five or so years.

And I'll state again, that the real problems at the club are off the field. The executive team that has failed to grow the club significantly in a decade needs replacing. This isn't the fault of the players or the coaches.

Couldn't agree more, but you know as well as me that saying stuff like this just brings out the spin doctors, and the one's who claim you are not a true fan for having such thoughts. It does IMO opinion account for the " we can't expect attitude ".

The most baffling thing to me is, why is it allowed to go on.

the clubs target will be win the cup and win the grand final ofcourse.

fans can be abit more realistic after the season we have just had, hope we can get back on track, top 8 would be a start!! top 4 would be brilliant

im behind stone and hope others are too

As I said
Aim for the top as always
I'll be happy with 8th after this season
I want us to win everything


Also good post Daz re HGSA

I keep meaning to join!

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My view is this - if you don't want what you say 'getting out'; don't say it. If you believe that you can say it in a small forum like an HGSA meeting and it won't get out, you are tacitly admitting that you're a small club. If you were a big club with all eyes on you, you wouldn't risk saying anything in any public forum that you didn't want to become public knowledge. I'm not too fussed either way to be honest, my expectations of the club have dipped and I don't see any sigbificBt change happening until, like Steve says, changes are made at C level.

Without wanting to abuse or insult people again, can i ask, to those who say the problems lie off the field rather than on them, in your opinions what exactly is the problem, i've yet to see anyone actually give a reason other than certain people aren't doing their jobs properly.
I am intrigued as to what people think is the main off field problem, without resorting to slagging certain people off please, i don't care about people's personal opinion on the Chairman, CEO, directors etc just what you think the problem is.

As for the HGSA, then it is open to anyone,not a select few, there are no secret meetings taking place, no conspiracy going on, just decent people giving their opinions on things and answering questions from supporters as honestly and diplomatically as they can, given their roles within the club.

What better reason is there than 'someone is not doing their job properly'?

And I beg to differ; a meeting where people are asked not to discuss certain items outside the meeting is by definition a secret meeting!

No it isn't Baron Greenback

At all

It's not secret! anyone can come and hear what the guys have to say, it's just understandable that they don't want everything out there in the public domain as some of it is, personal and off the record stuff, nothing secretive at all.

I'm not going to argue semantics with Code. You asked why people might think that way; that's why.
A well known physicist said that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.... Tell me what's being done differently at the Huddersfield Giants this coming season?

So you expect those that own the club to sack themselves?

Are you saying there is more than one owner ?

I don't expect anything from the club jools, except more of the same , I said i was baffled not Expectant, and i am, I have explained why before. Mr Davy is obviously a very clever self made man, and yet It's hard to see how he lets things stagger along year after year in the manner they do at the Giants.
There are people inside the club who have made the most horrible Gaffs more than once, and yet there they still are, If the Giants were a high street business or a Co in industry they would have been long gone now, That is what baffles me.

I know you are a bit of a champion of the club and in a sense It's a credit to you, but in the end you do the club no favors by just accepting everything as the best can be done.

We have one of the best stadiums in the game , we have a big catchment area, and we are in S League, Why is the club no further forward ( further back now than it was 5 years ago ) and why are the same people who have taken it there still running the club, That is what baffles me about Mr Davy.

KD is not short on Bottle, he has plowed his money in, yes he got the Giants for nothing, and he has 20% of the stadium for his money, For me he deserves a lot more , but the ball is " and always has been " in his court.

I have seen quoted on here that he is a very loyal man who doesn't fire people easily, That may well be true, but he does fire them eventually ( Sharpe, Anderson ) because they were not up to the job, Yet there they still are this group of people, seemingly safe and sound in their cosy little jobs, while the club makes yet another fresh start " on the field ".

In my experience of business, success starts at the top and carries down through the whole structure, Only it doesn't seem to carry down from Mr Davy himself, Why do we keep getting rid of players and coaches who are not good enough, and yet keep people higher up, who seem to be quite clearly also not good enough. Have we got the NHS and Banking Syndrome.

Any way It's just my opinion, and i Know there are plenty on here who hold different views. I have seen them before, Maybe It's this , Maybe It's that, we have only half as much money as X Y and Z, the club are doing the best they can.

The bottom line is the club is going backwards and times are changing in League, we survived this time by the width of a goal post, With clubs like Toronto and Toulouse coming along, it ain't going to get easier.

So I expect very little change from the club jools. This is written under the assumption that Mr Davy is still the owner.

And this is just a straight contradiction in terms, " Anyone can come and hear it " but " they don't want everything in the public domain" If there is logic in that it escapes me.

JJ, i take your point, but how do you know that the people running the club aren't doing a good job? for all we know,Mr Davy might be happy with the way things are?, as fans we don't get to see or know about the daily things that go on, like running the club.
i agree that mistakes might have been made in the past and as a club we could do things better, but it's only your opinion that people aren't doing their jobs properly etc, people within the club,players, coaches, seem to think people are doing a decent job in trying circumstances.
Whilst i do appreciate your opinion and do understand that the club could do better, it's pure speculation about what goes on and who does what and where etc, as fans we will never be privvy to that and as fans we should leave the running of the club to the people who know best.

Ok let's start with a few recent ones.

The mason saga. How much did that cost the club. I estimated about £250 k

The kopczak saga. £20k

Not getting rid of Nathan brown earlier. Cost. £ ?

Getting rid of Bodgy. Cost ?

Changing the training programme and. Losing Greg Brown. How much more would it have cost to keep him £10 or 20 K. If you and other posters say we were so unfit we lost games then this season the cost financially has been huge.

Going into a season with a small squad and losing Robbo when it was clear he was at best a huge huge risk. Cost £ incalculable.

The Connor saga. Whether we want to keep him or not it was poorly handled.

All of these I would say are factual problems.

Others are harder to quantify. Around marketing, decision making, recruitment.

If you look at stones comments and you as a loyal supporter will believe everything the club say, then we are too soft, too fat, not mentally tough enough, with the wrong squad.

Whoever is responsible for everyone of the above things I. Can guarantee it is not the fans and the people of Huddersfield who are to blame Unlike what the club and loyal supporters try to lead us to believe

If Mr Davy is happy what is going on at the club then we are doomed.

And to suggest the people running the club know best is laughable.

The people running RBS were the best people to run it.

Theresa May is the best person to run the country so we must let them get on with it without criticism or challenge.

For folks sake man go and buy some hot lava java and wake up.

If the supporters association and loyal fans were not so supine maybe Ken might say or think something different

is connor still going?! last statement from the club was from thewlis saying their would be hell on if it went ahead or to words of that affect ... gone quiet

We have what we have. It's kens club and he will do as he sees fit if that's wrong then He also has to suffer the consequences - mostly in his pocket. We don't have volunteers queuing up to put their time, expertise and money into the club.
We don't even have many supporters interested enough to join the supporters association and contribute- join and ask the questions you want answering.
The blame is on the board- and yes they have made some almighty cockups- but ken can't do it alone and without him and those others Supporting him there wouldn't be s club. We leave it all up to them then moan when we don't like the outcome.
Look at the way KR supporters have rallied round their club- only 5% took an offered discount- that wouldn't happen at hudds because we moan and complain but aren't willing to do a thing to help change the things we complain about.
The club have asked for support many times- once such time I believe Daz was the only person who put himself forward. There's an apathy from outside the club also- instead of coming on a forum and moaning about what we do badly you should contact the club and ask what you could do to help improve things. Durham did that, but when the club wouldn't or couldn't take on board some of his ideas he took his bat and ball home and he's done nothing but moan about them since. The HGSA was set up just after to try to get supporters to contribute their thoughts in a cordinates way- people can't be bothered to join for a fiver a year....