jools, the guy next door is a cutie right?

Rod who the hell are you calling an "old codger", im only 69, the way i like my sex, why don,t you get your ar"e out here, (bring a cork screw), and see how l live and suffer.

Durham great letter, but you know l can top you, l am on first name terms with most of the clouds in the north east atlantic.

To be fair to you "more senior supporters" at least you were there to witness the glory days of the team of all talents rodders, unlike us young uns who have the 3rd division, "European cup" divisional premiership, the LLS and an infirmary cup to bask in

Thanks and best wishes to your lot too!

However i don't think we are capable of beating the other sides, we have faced 2 decent sides, sides which to be fair we should expect to compete with and we have bent over and had our knackers felt on both occasions! i really hope I'm wrong but the players don't appear to have any fight in them at all.

There was a huge amount of reality dished out at the weekend wasn't there. How many, like me, thought 'if we drop into the middle 8s we will get out of it no problem'?

Not sure any of us envisaged how deep rooted the problems were. Rick Stone has been merely forced to window dress. I dread to think what his thoughts on the mentality of this group of players is.

I know some don't like it but let's let our frustrations out and I'm sure as hell frustrated.

Huby and Ellis are too fat, like Christmas puddings. Murphy confidence is on the floor and I feel for him as he's an honest lad. Wardle and Connor do not give a flying **** what happens. I'd throw Taai into that too. Not sure he can be bothered putting his knackers on the block as he's off anyway. Eorl has become a big fat old bugger who's moaned his way through the last 2 years. Ormsby was so bad at Batley it's inconceivable that he will play 1st team again this season. And 'Mr Wonderful' Danny Brough is all part of the problems that started in February with his off field indescretions.

Anybody want to add anything else?

And before I get slated, this is a forum, opinions are my own and this is the place to air them.

The hard part is that making these comments hurt. They hurt because I care more than the majority of our players.

If the feared reality happens, they will move on but we will still be here.

How Richard Thewlis has avoided any mention in my message is beyond me!

Great being a fan isn't it, for most of us at all levels it's highs and lows - and there's always someone worse off than you. Don't think you will but even if you do go down it's not the end of the world, people drawing the line need to get over it and back the team they love.

And look on the bright side, if you are away in the MPG it could well be at the LSV as salfords ground isn't available

When these players move on to other clubs will their new teammates have any respect for them? I think not.I know one or two players visit this site so I ask what the hell is the problem?

For the last decade we have had nothing but 'look how far we have come', 'look at all the progress we have made' from players and staff. They need to look how far they have fallen in a year and show 100% commitment this weekend!

Well said. If we stay in Super League everything will be brushed under the carpet. Thewlis will still be responsible for Recruitment and Players contracts. Rick Stone,like Anderson will be told who will be signed. Nothing will change Brough will sulk and upset all and Ken will dose off, Oblivious of how the Club is being missed managed by his CO and Director.

Well I went to my first game in 1961 as a five year old and was lucky enough to see the Championship Final of 1962.

For those highs I had to put up with far too many lows and the swapping of my beloved barrier on the terrace side at Fartown firstly for Leeds road and then the John Smiths.

We've had some good times recently LLS, two challenge cup finals and the narrow defeat at Saints when the grand final beckoned.

We played enough Rugby in patches this season to sort of think that we'd be ok in the qualifiers.

However at Salford I watched the first of two horror shows and said to my mate at the end of the game we are going down unless something changes.

I don't blame Rick Stone the malaise was there and far too deep rooted for a 'quick fix' he must be as horrified as us when what looks a pretty good team on paper is so spineless and rudderless on the field.

The real ty horrible frustration on Saturday was actually when they suddenly started playing with 29 minutes to go and at 48-40 Leigh were starting to wobble it proved that with just some application in the first half the game was there to be won.

I can't see anything but three losses and derby's with Bradford, Halifax and Batley next season !!

What evidence do you have that thewlis is responsible for recruitment? Anderson was NOT told who to sign- only how much money is available from the cap- that's a managerial issue that no coaches deal with. Stone is NOT being told who to recruit.
I'm not sure how thewlis is being blamed for what's happening on the field. He's messed up with Connor and Mason in terms of not understanding the meaning of some of the rules on contracts- but it's the players alone who are responsible for application of their skills on the field. This team were winning games last year!

Isn't walking away akin to the spineless attitude allegedly shown by your players? They'll be all be gone at some point, maybe sooner, maybe later. In a year or two (hell, maybe even this weekend though I hope not) you could once again be watching a side that makes you proud.

Was it Stones decision to recruit Bulls fatties Ferguson,Clough and sick note Gaskell.? When Thewlis cocks up he is bullet proof and unlike the Players he is not allowed to be Held to account.????.

not cup semi finals, play off semi finals

i think taai has been one of our better players this season? and is he going for sure? not heard anything, his mate seb is here now too, both be off if we go down anyway

its still away from home.

exactly, whos signed the bradford 3? cant be stone and anderson sacked its thewlis! he makes alot of the decisions, prob ones like giving luke robinson another playing deal when he could hardly walk nevermind run, everybody loves robbo but to give contracts to mates is not how a sports club should be run, thewlis should walk and the whole culture needs to change at the club

Some people do spout some ridiculous untruths.
Thewlis does not sign players. He does the paperwork he doesn't make the recruitment decisions. He is involved in negotiations purely to ensure any offers mean we are within cap.
Anderson signed the Bradford three. His parting gift clearly.
And Taai is signed up for two more years (providing we stay in SL of course).

You've got the Bradford 3 now. We ain't having them back!

Sir Ken's staying even if we drop out of SL.

Does this mean that these Bulls Players were approached and signed while under contract to Bulls.? The RFL should investigate this as clearly Jools is in the know. Fine or points deduction ?

abit naive to think thewlis doesnt have a big say in who we sign and who we give new deals too

What makes you think this was done without the Bulls say so or before the deadline?

If it's naive to believe what thewlis himself and two successive coaches say about the matter of who decides who signs for the club then perhaps I am naive. Equally I could choose to disbelieve what people say and come up with my own crackpot conspiracy theory..... Now where's my tinfoil......