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| And who exactly are they going to sue? A 21 year old kid? That's really big of them isn't it. They've got exactly what they deserve by trying to be devious last week and saying Jake had not signed but would deffo sign when he was 22 so they could get round paying a transfer fee hahaha
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"He hadn't, he signed it last week after he had a medical. I'm not an expert on contract law and whether you can sign a contract dated in the future and it be legally binding but something has been done if it's with the RFL. I'd expect that it's actually the date the contract starts that dictates if hudds are entitled to any fee and if it's after his 22nd birthday then you won't.
As I've said on the Hull board, it's really down to where he wants to be. if he'd rather stay at hudds then Hull should allow it subject to a small compensation payment from your club'"
A small compensation? Hull weren't exactly offering that when they tried to get him without a fee were they.
If he's decided to stay at Hudds then that's it matter closed and put to bed.
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| Quote ="raceman"And who exactly are they going to sue? A 21 year old kid? That's really big of them isn't it. They've got exactly what they deserve by trying to be devious last week and saying Jake had not signed but would deffo sign when he was 22 so they could get round paying a transfer fee hahaha'"
I think it was probably aimed at the agent and your club. I doubt connor has enough cash to make legal action worthwhile
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| Quote ="raceman"A small compensation? Hull weren't exactly offering that when they tried to get him without a fee were they.
If he's decided to stay at Hudds then that's it matter closed and put to bed.'"
You reckon? He's contracted to Hull for 2017 and 2018 and that contract is with the RFL who have accepted it. if he wants to stay you'll have to cough up
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"I think it was probably aimed at the agent and your club. I doubt connor has enough cash to make legal action worthwhile'"
Why should it be aimed at the club? Hull told Huddersfield last week that he had not signed so why aren't Hudds entitled to make him an offer to stay?
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| If Connor had had a change of heart then I'd hope that Hull would respect that but I wouldn't blame them for wanting to rub Thewlis' nose in it by demanding a fee! Re: the new coach - would anyone like to send me a PM? Please? Garth Brennan? Someone else?
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| Quote ="raceman"Why should it be aimed at the club? Hull told Huddersfield last week that he had not signed so why aren't Hudds entitled to make him an offer to stay?'"
ah but that was only because they didn't want to pay a fee!
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| Quote ="raceman"Why should it be aimed at the club? Hull told Huddersfield last week that he had not signed so why aren't Hudds entitled to make him an offer to stay?'"
Presumably because he's Hull's player for 2017 which means if you've offered him a contract you're in breach of RFL rules
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Presumably because he's Hull's player for 2017 which means if you've offered him a contract you're in breach of RFL rules'"
but how can they be in breach of rules- last week hull told the Giants and the rest of RL he HADNT signed a contract....
No different to you offering Connor a contract when he hasn't signed one for us. Make your mind up- seems hull want to change the truth to whatever suits them.
Take him if he means that much to you.....
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| Really hope that Jake has had a change of heart as he is one of our own and has undoubted talent that will surely be realised as he matures. Watched him from his academy days when he was always a stand out. Would love to see him claim the No.1 shirt for next year and have Brierley in the halves. Them with Brough/Ellis and Hinchy as our spine would be really something.
Come on Jake you know it makes sense!
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| The Hull Daily Mail says he passed his medical last week and signed the contract prior to us playing Hull.
If that is the case he is their player, we should now get compensation and let's move on.
Yes I would on balance rather have him than not but if he went to Hull last week and signed a contract now lodged with the RFL after previously going along with the 'heads of agreement' he should 'get gone.'
Hull for all their talk seem to have realised their 'heads of agreement' was vulnerable and moved to officially sign him fee to be agreed and paid, deal done move on.
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| Quote ="fartown since 1961"The Hull Daily Mail says he passed his medical last week and signed the contract prior to us playing Hull.
If that is the case he is their player, we should now get compensation and let's move on.
Yes I would on balance rather have him than not but if he went to Hull last week and signed a contract now lodged with the RFL after previously going along with the 'heads of agreement' he should 'get gone.'
Hull for all their talk seem to have realised their 'heads of agreement' was vulnerable and moved to officially sign him fee to be agreed and paid, deal done move on.'"
I would guess that compensation is only payable if his contract period starts prior to his 22nd birthday, not if the contract was signed prior to it. Hull seem confident of their position
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| Quote ="jools"but how can they be in breach of rules- last week hull told the Giants and the rest of RL he HADNT signed a contract....
No different to you offering Connor a contract when he hasn't signed one for us. Make your mind up- seems hull want to change the truth to whatever suits them.
Take him if he means that much to you.....
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At the time this first all came to light, it seemed he hadn't signed a contract and Hull were waiting for a medical first.
If you read the offical statement on the Hull website, you will see that he has now had that medical and has now signed that contract, which has been accepted by the RFL and is legally binding.
Hull originally said the medical was at the end of the season, but I presume as things unfolded the way they did, they decided to do the medial early to ensure they got him signed up before any change of mind.
Therefore as things stand, Jake is a Hull FC player for 2017 and 2018.
The contract will take effect from 1st December, by which point Jake will be 22 and therefore we are not required to pay any fee.
If Hudderfield want him as a player from next season, they will have to buy him out of a 2 year contract.
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| Quote ="Hasbag"At the time this first all came to light, it seemed he hadn't signed a contract and Hull were waiting for a medical first.
If you read the offical statement on the Hull website, you will see that he has now had that medical and has now signed that contract, which has been accepted by the RFL and is legally binding.
Hull originally said the medical was at the end of the season, but I presume as things unfolded the way they did, they decided to do the medial early to ensure they got him signed up before any change of mind.
Therefore as things stand, Jake is a Hull FC player for 2017 and 2018.
The contract will take effect from 1st December, by which point Jake will be 22 and therefore we are not required to pay any fee.
If Hudderfield want him as a player from next season, they will have to buy him out of a 2 year contract.'"
The league rules are that if we don't offer him a contract you can sign him without compensation, if we do and we did and he signs for you before his 22nd birthday and rejects our offer then you have to pay us compensation.
Doesn't matter when that contract starts its when its signed hence your original 'heads of agreement' document. The whole idea of the '22' rule is to compensate the club who have developed him.
The rules are in a post on the Hull board and are fairly straight forward.
Connor is clearly a Hull FC player 2017 & 2018 providing the clubs agree a fee or abide by a tribunal amount if they don't.
Obviously if Hull don't compensate Huddersfield they would have the option to offer him a new contract.
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| What a mess. Both clubs, the player agent and the RFL need to get this sorted behind closed doors to avoid any further embarrassment.
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| Quote ="Baron Greenback"What a mess. Both clubs, the player agent and the RFL need to get this sorted behind closed doors to avoid any further embarrassment.'"
The problem is that the wishy washy RFL don't state which date takes priority because it is a protection clause to compensate a club for developing the player the contract signing date should surely take precedence but as usual with the RFL there's no black and white only grey.
Interesting whether it's Hulls idea or Connors agent ??
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| I have no idea who is I the right here.
Given the track record the club's HR people have, I have no confidence that it's the Giants.
The only thing I would say is that if it turns out that Connor has signed for Hull, I wouldn't pay a penny to get him back and I'd tell him to spend the remainder of the summer enjoying some gardening leave. And then move on.
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| Quote ="jools"I believe his original position was half back, think he was switched to fullback in the U19s due to injury. Then selected for international duties where he played centre (so they could get him in the team?)
If he's gone/stayed for money then who can blame him. I'd be more bothered if there was another reason such as impatience or demanding a particular position.
The only issue I have with the situation was the timing of the announcement. If it was orchestrated by hull and he agreed to that it was poor form by him. If he didn't agree to it then Hull did the dirty on him too. I don't buy the media already had the story angle. Hull could have denied he'd signed- which wouldn't even be a lie!
Whatever happens either team will be better for having him in their squad. He clearly has a great deal of skill. If he can continue to work on his defence (and reduce the penalties) he will be a top class player.'"
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| no love lost between these two clubs
not long ago they pulled out of a pre season friendly after learning they were to play us in game 1 and i think we had already lost a game to being cancelled
then further back you have the pearson / davy saga trying to buy the football club
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| seems to me FC have painted themselves into a corner by trying to be a bit snide about getting out of the fee. Either he has signed for hull already in which case a fee is owed to us and we leave him be. Or he hasn't signed in which case there's no reason for any other club to come in with a better offer upon hearing a rumour he's going to leave. Either way it's dissapointing from both clubs. Do we really want to conduct business by pinching others academy products? Not good omens for the young players this league so desparately needs to produce.
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| Quote ="fowlesy31415"seems to me FC have painted themselves into a corner by trying to be a bit snide about getting out of the fee. Either he has signed for hull already in which case a fee is owed to us and we leave him be. Or he hasn't signed in which case there's no reason for any other club to come in with a better offer upon hearing a rumour he's going to leave. Either way it's dissapointing from both clubs. Do we really want to conduct business by pinching others academy products? Not good omens for the young players this league so desparately needs to produce.'"
didnt huddersfield use underhand tactics to sign craig kopchack (sp)
glass houses and all that.......
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| The RFL have confirmed that hull FC have registered Jake Connor for 2017.
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| Quote ="fowlesy31415"seems to me FC have painted themselves into a corner by trying to be a bit snide about getting out of the fee. Either he has signed for hull already in which case a fee is owed to us and we leave him be. Or he hasn't signed in which case there's no reason for any other club to come in with a better offer upon hearing a rumour he's going to leave. Either way it's dissapointing from both clubs. Do we really want to conduct business by pinching others academy products? Not good omens for the young players this league so desparately needs to produce.'"
How have Hull painted themselves into a corner? They were approached by connor's agent as he wanted a move, agreed a deal, signed him, and registered it with the RFL. If hudds and/or the player have been trying to worm him out of that deal I fail to see how Hull have done anything wrong at all. He will still be registered as a hudds player on his 22nd birthday so in what way should Hull be required to pay any fee?
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| Quote ="fartown since 1961"The problem is that the wishy washy RFL don't state which date takes priority because it is a protection clause to compensate a club for developing the player the contract signing date should surely take precedence but as usual with the RFL there's no black and white only grey.
Interesting whether it's Hulls idea or Connors agent ??'"
You are wrong there is no grey area. it clearly states in the operational rules that,
NO COMPENSATION FOR PLAYERS OVER COMPENSATION EXPIRY DATE
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A Player's previous Club shall not have any right to a compensation fee in relation to any
Player who has reached or passed his Compensation Expiry Date at the date his contract
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So as you see its when the contract comes into affect, not when it is signed, In Connor's case the contract comes into affect after his compensation expiry date.
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| No idea what is going to happen, but we certainly don't owe you a fee as a poster has been claiming along, weirdly it now looks possible like Hull could claim a fee, although if I was Hull I would let Connor stay at Hull if that's what he wants to do.
One thing the resolution needs to happen fast as it will effect both teams recruitment.
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