A little bitter are we?

I can't for the life of me understand why so much is being made of this. The captain is allowed to talk to the referee and this was done completely by the book. Would you rather have it like is usually is with players such as Brough, Wilkin, McGuire or Sam Tomkins shouting at the referee when things aren't going their way like football players, or do things the proper way whereby the captain calmly goes and asks the referee a question which he is entitled to do so as captain (one of the points/perks of being a captain is the link between the referee and the teams players).

There is nothing sly, nothing "cheating" about what went on tonight, I am absolutely certain that captains ask questions of the referee each and every week, and rightly so. There was nothing said according to Sky about Wigan asking to be awarded more penalties, the question was of ruck speed. One of the sin bins was for a professional foul, and a few of the penalties were for high tackles/ball steals, so the ref was influenced so much as to give a couple of pens for lying on?



I do agree it was incorrect call about the charge down and Wigan scrum, but let's not forget, Hudds nearly scored the winning try from a set where Gelling CLEARLY took the Huddersfield man into touch which wasn't spotted.

Look I'm not saying the penalties weren't right but Wigan were scragging and holding down too. Crikey one Wigan player walked three yards off the mark that should be a penalty but Cobb took the easy don't infuriate the Wigan fans route by sending him back to play it in a half of 9 penalties and two sin binings that's not consistent.

Had Cobb refereed the game in the same manner as the first half there would be no sour grapes he clearly had it in his head that one side was slowing it down when both sides were. I wonder why ??

If you re watch the game on Sky the ruck speed was very similar in the first half but Wigan were clearly allowed to play the ball quicker in the 2nd due to the fact that Cobb was going to penalise Huddersfield if they didn't.

I have no problem with Wigan/Wain for trying it on but the referee shot himself in the foot because rightly or wrongly he appeared to start pulling Huddersfield from the start of the second half for what he didn't in the first and Wigan were as culpable as us for slowing the ruck area down and guess what not one penalty !!

It was six penalties in about fifteen minutes.


How do you know.
The majority of penalties conceded by Huddersfield in the second half were NOT for slowing the play the ball down, but for stupid high tackles. As for the charge down, by the rules it was the correct decision as the Huddersfield player advanced towards the ball,as explained by Terry O'Connor. Personally I think it's a stupid rule that needs changing.

blatant high tackle on murphy in the first half, just a penalty for us

wardle got a red card against catalans...

whats the difference? murphy too honest and got back up?

Not really as I don't support hudds but as an impartial observer I can give an unbiased opinion and that wigan were far worse than hudds at slowing down the PTB but you got away with it and they didn;t in that 2nd half. No way did wigan not infringe the rules for over half an hour but they got away with it and the ref gifted you the 2 points. You are absolutely awful to watch

I see mar has opened his big gob again and said PA should be fined for speaking out!! The sooner this buffoon leaves our game the better, I for one will throw a party when this gob disappears back down the hole he appeared from.

Unfortunately,I think a lot of the things we complain about are now part of the game,and maybe we as a team need to move forward and play smarter and perhaps get some of these tricks going ourselves. I don't particularly like the idea,but if you can't beat them....
Referees have a tough gig,and see at as bias or not,but Shaun Wane did more damage to the referees credibility last night with his smug smirk when questioned than Anderson did with his responses. He has insinuated that his actions changed the running of the game...which is what PA questioned. I like Shaun Wane,great coach and usually a great watch in his post match interview due his honesty and sportsmanship, however he let himself down last night.

Gelling did NOT take Murphy into touch- the replay clearly showed that- it also clearly showed gelling trying to get him into touch by ragging him round his neck! So actually even if he had gone it touch should have been a penalty to us. Oh and it was a charge down his arms were up in the air to stop the ball, not outstretched to tackle the player.
Cheating? - perhaps not. influencing? - most certainly.

Bottom line is you know you are gonna get nowt from a ref when you go to Wigan,that's just the way it is.

We Lost get over it.

I say it every week if we are two scores better than the opposition the refs don't matter.

We could have Ben leading by 20 points if we had taken our chances in the first half.

We lost because we did not take our Chances and making too many mistakes in the first 40

Well said, just be becomes a bit self deflating this after a while. Nothing's going to be changed, lets move on. Challenge cup game is looking more and more like a seasons make or break game for both us and Leeds.

Wigan did a great job on the referee. They questioned and he reacted in the second half. For me only 2 play the balls should have resulted in a penalty. Wigan are masters at the play the ball area , and if you notice one player on the open side seems to always get up at exactly the balls played restricting options and a slow pass.

The Giants problem is Bully Boy Anderson. What a sour loser he is Brough was excellent post match but PA again failed to highlight deficiencies in his own players` performances by taking swipes at the Ref who of course cannot respond.

Next weeks game is huge.

Who isn't a sore loser? If your not sore about losing you don't deserve to win because you don't really want to win enough.

Perhaps pa would rather highlight any deficiencies in his players in private rather than in public....

Your problem Jools is that you are too close to the situation. Anderson is taking you nowhere which is sad with the talent you have. Once a prop - always a prop. Durham Giant is the man on here who says it as it is rather than what you would like it to be.

anderson didnt actually blame the loss on the ref, he just wondered why the game was reffed differently in the second half when the teams played the same way but one got 7 pens and the other 1 pen and two sin bins.

also he said the loss was also down to our own doing not being there with our completion rate

but what gets highlighted by the media is another thing and the questions are put to him about the ref

Well he couldn't blame injuries this time could he? I mean wigan had around 7 regular first teamers missing and we had 2 (i don't count grix, because his replacement was far better), and yet they still managed to beat us.. in the last ten minutes.. again

Seems like Joe had another good game at Widnes, Denis Betts will be the next to 'cop' a fine

Thought he would have been running the line in Championship 1, but what do I know?

yep another nightmare at widnes

betts will have a fine on the way too

Well our Joe must like Wigan.

Tomkins and Hardaker committed the same offence a professional foul both were penalised Hardaker went to the bin Tomkins didn't wouldn't have made any difference to the result but highlights the inconsistent refereeing in the game today !!

I must admit, the one in the very next set, due to losing ball, by the Wigan player had me shouting at the screen. I'd love to know why he thought one was 10 and the other wasn't.

Liked the consistency of the refs over interference at play the ball.Made the game a lot quicker and I did not notice any complaints from players

He doesn't like us at all does he ??

His policing of the offside was shocking, how many penalties have Saints to concede to get a team warning.

He saw Symonds obstruction but not Wilkins on Cudjoe or the other in the second half but we deserve to lose but he doesn't deserve being a Superleague ref on what I've seen of him !!

Spotted our forward passes too and when Brough speak as to the ref bang sin bin half the Saints team were at it today, LMS, Walsh, Wilkin, Lomax et all lease keep him away from the middle 8's