dont think will go down but we might get massive wake up call , The recruitment and retention has been poor for years since we let Brett go to Warrington. hull ,cas salford have recruited very well , We look short of pace in the backs and no strike in the back row

Its becoming less the case but you have clearly been a one man team for the past few years, especially in 2013
Just have a look at the rest of your spine, its pretty dire if your aims are to win a GF
Grix is nowhere near good enough
Ellis wasnt getting a game over Liam Finn at Cas
Hinchcliffe is alright, but hasnt played hooker in years and whilst solid isnt very creative

Brough absolutley carries the playmakers in your team and has done for years

I can see Hinchcliffe ging to scrum half, I think he may have played the odd game at Melbourne there. If you ain't got the ability to go there, you need the experience IMHO. Could switch (with gods know who) when Leeming is spelled.



Has Huby ever had a cap? Don't think he has.


l think we've been fairly lucky compared to a lot of teams in the last few years, with 'number of' injuries, we've always had a smallish squad but managed to cope. Think we are getting our last 3-4 seasons share this season though.

It seems we are a one man team, but that man is Lawrence, even with Brough back and the rest of our quality halves as well we have no chance without Lawrence , What does that say about Mr Andersons coaching then, we apparently have only one forward who can tackle.

Todays offering in the Examiner is, Mr A is ready to sign someone as cover for our injured halves. It doesn't seem too occur to him that we need a first class half, what we have now are good enough to be cover at a pinch. Mind you last weeks offering was how we were expecting to beat Widnes.

Brough is still the only man we have that can create anything, If we want to realistically compete and take place in Finals we need some better players in key positions, not players who couldn't get in other teams but are somehow now quality, now they play for the Giants. And we could start by getting a coach who knows how league is supposed to be played. Mr Davy's money is being squandered . I don't know if that's his fault or someone else's.

All the talk in the last few years has been about how well we have done, how we have punched above our weight, Now the talk is about whether we will manage to stay in the Eight.

"And we could start by getting a coach who knows how league is supposed to be played."

Seriously ? Paul Anderson doesn't know how league is played ??? think his playing record and coaching record upto now proves he knows a fair bit about it !! what a daft comment !

Paul Anderson as a player was the ultimate one trick pony, both at Bradford and at Saints, he was very good at that one trick I grant you but that doesn't mean he can coach.
Ask your self why Huddersfield can't get people to go and support them, When you have worked your way through the endless excuses and dross, you will eventually come to the real reason. It's because most of the season they are bloody awful to watch, with a good performance thrown in here and there, and when it comes to a game that really matters, well we all know what happens then

Last season you could count the good performances on one hand and they weren't riddled with injuries then. Fact is mate he can't motivate them, I remember J sharp , the most qualified coach in the game ( or that's what he used to say ) look what happened to him.

We need class players where it matters mate, not Fullbacks who bottle out of tackles and halves who have been let go from other clubs cause they couldn't make the team.

The missing thousand in Huddersfield know that mate, It's just the handful of posters on here who think we have this wonderful team of Legends that will win us the GF, if we can just wait till it's our turn. Unless you were around in the Fifties you haven't seen a good Huddersfield side because that's the last time they had one, and you are not going to get the fans to come by spouting Dross in the Examiner.

Some people need to put the dummy back in.

And be realistic- where are these top class halves you want us to buy? And would they sit as back up and be happy to sit in the stands waiting for injuries.

And if we did live in the fantasy land of some fans- Would cherry-Evans sit on the sidelines behind cronk and thurston?

You think of the players we've had and where we've finished the last 5 seasons, I'd say hes getting a lot out of them if so. I hope you match up to your own very high standards in what you do.

Ask your self why Huddersfield can't get people to go and support them, When you have worked your way through the endless excuses and dross, you will eventually come to the real reason. It's because most of the season they are bloody awful to watch, with a good performance thrown in here and there, and when it comes to a game that really matters, well we all know what happens then'"

Is that the same Fantasy land where we keep buying endless forwards from, There are Halves to be had, there are better than we have playing in their feeder leagues, It takes someone who can be bothered to find one.
We have signed good backs before, remember Devere and Hogson Oh I forgot weren't good enough were they. Look at us now

What it means is, Very few HAVE been going to watch them since, which is Mr Davy's main problem I would think.
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You can call the missing fans Fair weather fans or anything else you care to call them, but if they don't like what they see, they will just say ,You go ! I'm off playing golf or whatever.

"You hope they win things and get your enjoyment from that" A while since you had any enjoyment then. They are very well paid Pro's mate you should be able to expect a bit more than that. I will never understand this attitude of the poorer they are they more we need to get behind them. The better they are the more will turn up.

The one light at the end of the tunnel is, Mr Davy has shown in the past he has his limits.

Who- name them?
Re Hodgson and de vere- The salary cap gap is much bigger now- and both those players were at the ends of their careers not at their best. We wouldn't be able to afford a devere or Hodgson now - unless they've been kicked out like Mason /Sandow/carney

What about those two halfbacks you got from Wakey, Brough and Drew.

i personally think the problem is your every now and again fan always gets let down when it matters it takes a long time to build up a fan base and 2 mins for it to disappear i still believe had we won warrington in the 2009 final we would have gained more supporters since then other than winning the league shield we have bottled it in all big games heard today broughs unsettled and on sundays showing no harmony in the camp 1st big test now for mr anderson early days i know but things not looking good in camp

Half backs available in the last couple of seasons whether they were worth it is hard to say
Gaskell, Gale, Roberts, Kelly, Brierley, Sneyd, Hampshire, Campese

( Of these i would have been happy getting Gale Brierley, Roberts and Hampshire. The Jury is out on the others.

Plus there are the others you have suggested.

There will be others in the second league In Australia.

We started this season with Robbo who had already discussed retirement with Anderson LAST SEASON.

Brough who has been carrying an injury all LAST SEASON.


I would compare us and Cas in terms of fans, money etc.

Whatever the relative merits of the success Cas are better than us to watch and have players with Pace. We have lots of forwards ( or did).

Whether that is down to Anderson, Thewlis or lack of money i do not know but Jumbucks point about our style of play has some merit.

Our retention and recruitment IMHO has not been good enough for a while.

I thought you were talking about top class halves ......

They were indeed past their best ,and yet were still so much better than anything we have had since.
Same old, same old. There aren't any, we can't afford one, we have to be realistic.

I detect sarcasm in that last bit but even so it is spot on...and as a supporter of this club we have 2 choices ..

1) accept that and carry on supporting as supporters do
2) throw a paddy and moan, whine, whinge, criticise, berate and have a general negative attitude towards everything to do with the club.

Some of those on here that do all the above have even admitted they don't / don't want to attend and put money in the clubs coffers even though the main issue of us not doing what we want them to do is we don't have enough people coming to games to help the club take the next step !!
Till we do we have to accept this is where we are with the quality of players we have and if it's not acceptable then maybe this isn't the club for those people ...I've probably written the some post for 3/4 years running now !!

Bang on, nothing more to say!

I think the nature of any clubs' fanbase means there are going to be differing viewpoints on the club's fortunes.
we seem have to a lot more negative fans than most,
we get called "apologists" etc if we choose to accept that we don't have money to throw around and don't sign top class international players.
some might call that lack of ambition, others, would call it realistic. yes the club and the people working for the club have made mistakes in the past and will do in the future, but as countless people have said, the club can't do much without money, we haven't got the money available, nor can we hope to have the riches that Leeds,Wigan,Saints,Wire,Hull,Catalans have got, we must be doing something right because we have more than held our own and more with all those.
but until we get higher revenue streams to be able to go that next level up then we are where we are.

I agree with a lot of that Meast and it's a realistic view. Some people get called apologists some get called whingers and they both have a case up to a point.

The problem I have Particularly with some posters on here is, Because they are absolute fans who are going to support the team/ club whatever they do, they think everybody else should be the same, as though it's our duty to go down and pay our money so they can work towards a better team.
Unfortunately that's the wrong way round , it's more like the clubs duty to attract buyers just like any other business,
The Giants just can't do that, and in this case it's not just an opinion is it ? Despite free tickets, much pleading and cajoling, the people of Huddersfield just don't go , so all the evidence backs up my argument, otherwise why aren't we getting the magic 10.000, The population could stand that easily.
The only solution that I can think of is they are just not happy about what they see on the field, and there's only one outfit that can change that. The onus is on them to provide what the people want and are prepared to spend their money on, not the other way round.

We all have our ideas about how that should be achieved, The most popular one on here is that People should go and watch them so they can afford better players, You know what I think or that.
I take your point about we must be doing something right, we are holding our own with the big boys,
This is the old ,we are punching above our weight bit, and while that may well be true It's completely useless if you are going to keep taking a knockout punch.

I have conversations with mates and so on. I say to them Giant's are not doing bad just now ( as they did in the 7 games ) what I get back is stuff like" Yeah wait till it comes to the crunch games I'll watch em on Telly mate " They expect them to lose, because they know the other top teams are capable of stepping up their game when it matters.

The only way I know how to do that is with quality players and a class coach, If we can't afford them and we have to settle for what we have then so be it, we have to try to keep punching above our weight and hope that one day we might not take that big punch, the downside is that we have to accept that the crowds are always, going to be what they are, and we are more than likely always going to be also rans. The situation will only get worse as well because the salary cap is only going to go one way in the future

I am a comer in to Huddersfield Meast and my impression of the club was " It's just a matter of time before they go under " Then Mr Davy came along and gave the club a new future, My impression now is that his money is being squandered, and the club comes over as very very amateurish, but that's up to him, he's put the people where they are, And to be fair they have made some howlers, I am amazed some of them are still where they are, but His business.

I make no excuses for my opinion on Paul Anderson, " I can here the howls and screaming now " I don't think he is good enough, He doesn't seem to be able to get the best out of players like some coaches can, He has made us into a good defensive side by and large and credit to him for that, once again not what the floating supporter wants to see.

I won't be going to Leeds after that shambles last week, I make no apologies people can think what they think and say what they want, " I don't easily take offence " there will be a lot more thinking like me.
All this is just my opinion Meast, feel free to shoot it down, that's what a forum's for.

PS, I hope they go really well at Leeds, They usually do better against the better sides, if you can call Leeds that at the moment.

There are others, for starters theres choice, I like RL more than anything, I don't assume other people do so maybe less inclined to attend on a regular basis, regardless of success. Then theres competition for your leisure pound, you mentioned the 50s earlier, theres a lot more to do in your spare time now than there was then. Also Sky, before live TV crowds were be bigger.

I personally think the momentum was lost when we had the loosing streak with Brown in charge, then out out of the cup semis against stains. The rot was in then, and left a little too long as we had been building for some time. And we've been either unlucky with overseas signings (injury prone) with the exception of a couple, you mentioned the class of De Vere but Costin and Russell were far better servants for us.

And while l'd say Davy has been massive for us in the SL era, I'd say the 80s (Baracudas anyone?) were far worse and we were a lot closer to going to the wall until the likes of Shuttleworth came along. But I understand not everyone experienced that, but it give those that did a sense of perspective now.

Having said all that there has been a lot put into the youth where normally it hasn't, thats not going to come to fruition over night but we are starting to see the signs. Its just they are not far enough on in experience yet to fill in when things like the injury fest that is happening now.

Everybody is entitled to their views and opinions, of course, i have my own and i don't expect everyone to agree with them.

but it seems to me, judging by the debates on here is that the fanbase is split down the middle, those, like myself who are long standing fans, who never even dreamed we would even compete with the top clubs, let alone regularly beat them, who realise that we are probably at the top of where we could realistically get to and without further investment into the club then we are either going to stagnate or fall back down.

then there are people who basically just want to support a winning team and kick off when things don't go well, without appreciating or understanding that we can't just go and buy players, we have tried as a club to increase crowds but to no avail, it's not because people don't think we will win anything or that they think PA is a crap coach, it's because there just isn't the interest there, there never really has been, apart from golden era's in the 50's & 60's but that was reflected in every sport of the time.

whether people like it or not, we are a small club, punching above our weight, competing with 6/7 other clubs with budgets and staff 3 time greater than what ours is, that should be something every fan should be proud of, but it seems that some fans want to use that as a stick to beat us with.

that way i see it, we are all "fans" of this club, some of us are "supporters" but most of us want the club to do well, although there does seem a minority that can't wait until we are dead and buried so they can say "told you so".
if people want to pay their money and support the team and hopefully do their bit, however small to try and increase our revenues and therefore our ability to carry on competing at the top level, that is up to them, but if people don't then they can't really moan about their perceived lack of success or ambition.

Point taken about both Costin and particularly Russell, I also understand your point about where the club is now compared to where they have been, and how you will feel reasonably happy. But that would surely make you see my point as well. While you were experiencing all the years of Bad times and watching rubbish, I grew up watching very good sides , Hardesty, Fox, Millward, Lewis jones, endless players with true class. Yes different times, but once you have dined on Steak it doesn't come easy eating Turnips, That's why I can understand the fans who were lucky enough to be going to Fartown in the fifties, all fell away in the 60's.
Possibly the answer will be in the Youth if they can carry it through, That's the source of success in OS, and God knows we have some catching up to do there.

I'm bright enough to see that that post is aimed at me Daz, and that's fair enough mate It's your view. What I find amusing is that anybody who is prepared to give an opinion and criticize the club, Is throwing a Paddy and moaning whining and whinging, Despite the fact you don't know me ,nor how much I have put into the clubs coffers.
And as ever It's priciesly people like me who choose not to go when they don't want, whose fault it all is that the club can't take the next step forward, It's nothing to do with the Sh**e administration who have squandered funds Half a million at a time in some cases, who don't have the nouse to start looking for replacement players till ours are practically on walking sticks, Still as you say true fans don't worry about things like that, they get behind the club .