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| Quote ="GIANT DAZ"he couldn't have carried it in two hand as he needed his left to fend off the incoming saints player, plus if he had passed it from two hands he would have had to turn his body to get the ball to Bruno....the fact he threw it behind himself at pace and out of the back hand was IMO remarkable skill.'"
Who was he fending off? The touch judge?
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| Quote ="reidy_21"Cudjoe's pass was poor skill if i'm honest, if he had good skill the ball would have been in two hands and passed normally, taking a lot of risk out of the play.'"
Now when I wrote that there was just a little more than a touch of irony.
Your post I'm not so sure.
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| Quote ="reidy_21"Cudjoe's pass was poor skill if i'm honest, if he had good skill the ball would have been in two hands and passed normally, taking a lot of risk out of the play.'"
If my Irony meter is broken i apologise but if yoy are being serious i disagree to an extent.
If he had held it in two hands and advertised the possibility of the pass he would not have drwn the cover defence to him . Because it did not look as if he would pass Wellens got drawn towards him as well as the winger '/? centre who was getting back. By playing the way he did he drew the cover which allowed Lawrence a clear run to the line.
Despite that if the pass had gone to ground or being dropped we would all be on here slagging him off to high heaven.
The good thing is that it showed confidence and and acceptance that free expression is being given to the players to play as they feel happy with.
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| The best thing is it shows he has got more sense than to read some of the drivel posted on Internet forums...
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| excellant pass! he has done this pass quite a few times this season to put mcgillvary over too
will shut the cudjoe knockers up....
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| Cudjoe pass was special. Very special. Would we be slagging him off if it had not come off - not me. The best thing about it was it shows his confidence is coming back. Top teams need someone who can do something different and unpredictable . That is leroy. In a tight important game that really matters he will do something that will make history for the giants.
I am sure of that, and sure that all successful teams have one of these type of players. However the price of having them is sometimes when they try the audacious, the crazy, their magic won't come off. Our job as true supporters is to support them ( the clue is in the title) when it does not happen, so they are willing to keep trying it again and again . Looking for dull conservtivism from leroy week after week will only stifle him, and ultimately us.
In years to come we will still be talking about that pass.....
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| As a HKR fan I love watching your youngsters. I remember three (I think) seasons ago coming over to yours and Lawrence and Cudjoe tearing us to pieces. Lawrence got most of the plaudits that day but it was Cudjoe that I really liked the look of.
Add in MacGilvary and now Wardle and you're going from strength to strength! Fantastic to see, other than when you're giving us our twice yearly humping of course!
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| also, the reaction of Bruno and Leroy after the try is scored is one of almost sheer disbelieve, almost laughing at the fact it came off - obviously they were as surprised as everyone else that it did !
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| Quote ="Run leroy , run !"Cudjoe pass was special. Very special. Would we be slagging him off if it had not come off - not me. The best thing about it was it shows his confidence is coming back. Top teams need someone who can do something different and unpredictable . That is leroy. In a tight important game that really matters he will do something that will make history for the giants.
I am sure of that, and sure that all successful teams have one of these type of players. However the price of having them is sometimes when they try the audacious, the crazy, their magic won't come off. Our job as true supporters is to support them ( the clue is in the title) when it does not happen, so they are willing to keep trying it again and again . Looking for dull conservtivism from leroy week after week will only stifle him, and ultimately us.
In years to come we will still be talking about that pass.....'"
Good post.
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| Quote ="Ivor C&G Scarf"Good post.
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Muchas gracias. Do think he will have a good second half of the season.
Plus , will save me changing my id....
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| Well, those that would like the forward pass rule to be only in relation to the pitch and not the players should feast their eyes on this. Conclusive evidence that Leroy Cudjoe's out-the-back-door pass (you can't get any more a backwards pass than that!) was actually forward in relation to the pitch:
Exhibit A & B:
Put them together and look what you get...
Exhibit C:
So, those that would like a "simpler" rule are basically saying that players can't pass when they're running! The most backwards of passes in relation to a player you can do still went forward in relation to the pitch. What a boring game some people must want in order for life to be "simple".
Just in case you want another angle...
(He's not even caught the ball yet on this picture, and look where he's stood in comparison to the lines on the pitch...)
Conclusive evidence that Cudjoe's pass should have been classed as forward to those that want the "simpler" rule.
In reality, the laws of the game rightly recognise that the ball will travel forwards when a player passes at speed (but wrongly recognises that it is due to "momentum", which is technically not correct. It's due to a player's constant velocity when he passes, not his momentum).
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| V interesting.
Can we have 2 leroys and 2 brunos on the pitch all the time?
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| Looks marginally backwards to me.
Thanks for proving it.
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| Quote ="Ivor C&G Scarf"Looks marginally backwards to me.
Thanks for proving it.'"
Maybe you need to get your eyes checked then. He's not even got the ball yet on the second shot and he's in front of him.
Not that it matters, is it is a perfectly legitimate pass (which was my point).
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| Wellsy 13 - you bloody party pooper haha ....bugger off !!
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| Interesting post Wellsy. That pass was thrown backwards as much as any i've seen but as the pictures shows it actually went forward due to the speed Leroy was going when he released the ball. Imagine how many stoppages we'd have if every thrown ball was called back that actually goes forward.
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| Quote ="GIANT DAZ"Wellsy 13 - you bloody party pooper haha ....bugger off !!'"
Not trying to poop on any parties. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the pass (it was amazing!), and because it was so clearly backwards in relation to the player, it has is now going to become my standard "this is why we don't measure forward passes in relation to the field" argument!
Ponner, that is my point exactly. The people that want a "simpler" rule also want the game to be played at snail's pace. If they don't want it played at snail's pace, then they obviously don't understand the laws of physics!
I do find it amusing though how some stubborn people will look at that picture and still try and delude themselves that it he is behind Cudjoe! He's not even caught the ball yet and he's marginally in front!
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| Who cares though.....i didnt realise there was any controversy or debate surrounding it in the 1st place !!
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| There wasnt any controversy, and thats Wellsey's point. That the rules as they stand are fine and this is a perfect example of that.
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| Ah ok !!
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| Looks like 4 points to me
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| Quote ="Birkbygiant"Looks like 4 points to me
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Aiiii had 4 points next to it in League Express too
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| Quote ="Code13"There wasnt any controversy, and thats Wellsey's point. That the rules as they stand are fine and this is a perfect example of that.'"
Thank fook someone gets it!
Some people seem to think I'm implying there's something wrong with it.
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| Think I'll have to stop using irony on here.
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