I too see Robinson playing as a hooker, although I'd prefer Lunt to be given a chance even though he probably doesn't deserve it on form.

Would Crabtree off the bench be better than Burgess at prop and Westwood or Tomkins in the 2nd row?

Without doubt.

Burgess in the second row can do 60 mins plus while at prop it is nearer to 40 mins plus. Burgess is a world class second row while Westwood and Tompkins are not.

Crabtree showed last year that he can have real impact off the bench versus NZ and Oz. Been off the pace in his testimonial year however he has some unique aspects to his game that can pose questions for the opposition.

Crabtree has had a good season. I saw an interview with him the other week were he said his role had changed this year due to what Nathan Brown wanted and he was doing a lot more unnoticed work.
Check his stats from 09 to 10 and yes he is making a yard a carry less and has made 20 less offloads (which are aspects that fans notice)

However the plus side to this is he has made 92 more tackles and 86 more carries than last year which suggests he is been worked much harder in games this season.

He is averaging over 100 metres per game and 21 tackles a game (total tackles for season 477)

To show how consistant he is in 23 games he has missed only 9 tackles all season made only seven errors and given only 3 penalties away.

these are massivley impressive stats and suggest his allround game has improved again this season.

Ben Harrison has missed 53 tackles made 18 errors and given 11 peanlties away.
That is 92 mistakes in total to Crabtrees 19 so maybe someone should be questioning his selction.

But Burgess has also done well at prop this year.

Do you think Joel Tomkins is better at 2nd row than Crabtree at prop? That's the way i'm looking at it as I think we are stronger with Burgess + Tomkins on the pitch at the same time. Our top 2 strike centres and if one can play just as well at prop, even better.

I am sure burgess has gone well at prop. However in the back row he is on the field far longer.

Crabtree has proven himself very effective at prop off the bench against NZ and Oz. I would go with Burgess / Ellis / O'Loughlin in the back row with Tompkins/Westwood off the bench (when either of these guys come on we are weakened).

But that's where I think we'll have to agree to disagree. I think we'd be weaker with Crabtree on and Burgess still in the 2nd row, than bring one of the 2 best rowers in the league on and move Burgess to prop.

Tomkins? One of the best two 2nd rowers in the league? Maybe in a few years if he keeps his head down.

Who's been better? I'll give you Puletua (maybe).

Ben Westwood has been awesome. Most underrated in SL IMO.

I'm not under rating him, I think him and Joel are both quality players. They'd make a very good partnership in the 2nd row. I personally think Joel is the better player though, although the temperament may be slightly lacking atm.

Yes I must agree with you , he is a totally undisciplined hoodlum, who lacks the insidious guile of his younger sibling.

Joel, best 2nd row in SL...dont make me laugh. He isnt even the best [iEnglish[/i 2nd row in SL.

for my pick i'd go with Ellis and Burgess in the 2nd row, O'Loughlin at loose forward and starting props of Morley and Griff with Crabtree on the bench with Robbo

Start with Brown at standoff and Cudjoe on the wing.

Name me a better English SR in SL then?

Griffin over Fielden? Nah.

Tompkins has had a very good season and benefitted from having Maguire.

I think Ferris , Tickle and Westwood would do at least as well as JT if they were are Wigan.

England could select Roby in the back row. his stats stuff JT.

Roby plays in a different position!

Tickle is nowhere near the class of JT.

Ferris? Who's that?

Please go elsewhere to advertise your rugby ignorance.

To use your phrase, we can agree to disagree.

Now run along and get your favourite photo of Joel Tompkins, your rose tinted specs and a box of kleenex

Irony. Ha.

Still can't find a Ferris. Unless you mean Ferriol, the French prop. As that's the closest I can find.

Feel free to prove me wrong though, it wouldn't be the first time!

Rugby ignorance and yet you don't know how to spell a players name.

Don't turn this into a spelling forum sweetheart. Your wet dreams about lil Joel are duly noted. Perhaps you can find another forum were your fixation is shared?

I would have Westwood, Tickle, Ferres or Mossop ahead of JT. However i am looking at this re rugby...I suspect you are not

How would you have Mossop over JT? He's not even played a full season yet and definately wouldn't get in the side ahead of JT.

The others (bar Westwood) are nowhere near as good.

And thankfully I have never had a wet dream about Joel, not my type! haha.

Pity he plays in a different position though, out of interest why your a master of knowledge on stats how does Tickles Ferris's and Westwoods compare? Il have a guess and say not as well.

I heard of this but could not believe it.....

You soon changed your spots.

Ha ha ha...