I agree too many players who have been sub standard when they eventually get picked. My biggest concern was that Hardaker ripped our defence apart Wardle and Horne were both at fault and from where I sat didnt even try!

Our defence went backwards before making a hit too much of the time and then were driven backwards. We need more commitment. As for KB I for one think he needs a little more time to mature as stand off Brough and Brown when on song are awesome.

horne and robbo were both shocking in tackling for those leeds tries... if only

kev brown is a very good player indeed, however i wonder whether he would be better suited to centre,which is where he started out? he has good feet,good passing skills a fair bit of pace and trickery, im not sure if he's all that good an organiser/playmaker to be a top stand off.
i think we should look at a top class stand off and move kev to centre,anyone else?

nope.

not many better stand offs in super league whos going to replace him if he moved to centre? and do you really think nathan brown will drop wardle and cudjoe out of the centres!

never going to happen

Agree 100 % as would everyone else once they saw what a difference it would make.

If Nathan wouldn't drop Wardle or Cudjoe why the hell are we so desperate to sign Murphy or am I missing sommert?

I saw Kev Brown play centre for Wigan Loads of times. Total waste of his talent.

He's a stand off and in the top 5 in Superleague.

It appears that he is trying to address an imbalance in the squad by reducing the number of second rowers and increasing the depth in the centres. This should see us cope better with injuries in that area and it is crystal clear to everyone that we have too many second rowers.

I would feel a bit happier if some of these centres were swapped for PROPS

With Bruno moving to second row, if it's still happening, then we do lack depth in the centres and you can understand one more coming in. I think you possibly mean second rowers going to props. If Molloy, Fairbank and Sarsfield are going to get game time next season it will mean the likes of Gilly, Fooey, LO'D, Chan, Bruno(?), Fergy and Doof missing out and that assumes that Raleigh and Kirmond are moving on. Definitely a huge number of second rowers there.

All those second rowers and yet our best second rower Fa'alogo (the only one who seems to be able to break a line) is going prop next season...

There are changes to the subs set up that will require our forwards to play longer minutes. Doof has played up front in the NRL before, it wont be that big a thing to him. His main task is to stay fit IMO.

Bruno going to back row is just plain daft unless it's to utilise his excellent defence. He needs to do a lot of work on the weights in the off season though.

work on the weights?



weighs more than ferguson, gilmour and same as kirmond....other second rowers.

not sure if back row is his position but looks like its going to be next season with the wing and centre spots taken

great for utility value for the squad though

Always viewed utility players as someone who ain't good enough to play in any set position?

maybe right.

these will be known as our squad players... this seasons havent been good enough so they are being shipped out

kirmond, raleigh, horne, mcnally etc

Or on the flip side, players who are good enough to play a multitude of positions - these natural talents though are rare. For me Cudjoe is what I would call a real utility back.

That's a bit off the mark there, Raleigh not good enough?
Perhaps you should try discussing that with Danny B, I'm sure he'll put you right
And as for Kermit I don't think his sojourn under Kear did him much good.

Kirmonds shifting of position did him no good either

not just Danny. When Browny asked the senior players who they believed was the starting 17, all but 1 included Raleigh, but Brown still ignored them and did so again about whether other players should be continued in the team. You live and die by your decisions as a head coach, and he fluffed this season for us all.

Or Andy's, Horne's, Bruno's, Gilly's.....

must be why they are players and not coaches

and why we lost in the CC quarters and 2 playoff games. This coach has never won anything at any club, he has improved the side as a coach, that does not mean he can pick the right team.

You also have to question why a head coach was asking advice from players and not taking it. He really had no idea what his best side was.

He is weak. The payers need to be led. They need to know what they are doing and the reason for doing it. They essentially need to 'buy in' to his philosophy. How can they follow a man who asks their advice and ignores it over and over again, knowing that at the drop of a hat he'd be coaching in Australia?

I really wish I could find the humour in the season ending as it did.
You obviously have, so go on share it, I could do with a laugh.

it ended long before the leeds loss for us as i pointed out a few times we were going no where. not that im happy about it!

roll on 2012!

With more of the same?

Or something different, in your opinion?

We really could do with Mr Boyd spilling a few beans about what has gone on!