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| Quote ="Country Giant"For me Leeming is not the latest scapegoat, however his performances this season have not been good and for me he has gone backwards....
O'Brien was castigated when he first arrived from Bradford, but he has knuckled down, worked hard and probably is not as gifted as Leeming, but for me he has moved waaayyy ahead of him in the pecking order.
Jools mentioned Leeming in the same post as Roby! Leeming is nowhere near as good as Roby or Clark, looks unfit, regularly drops off tackles and his minutes on the pitch is low compared to others.
Would absolutely love him to fulfill his potential, but he needs to do the hard work first....'"
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| Quote ="Country Giant"For me Leeming is not the latest scapegoat, however his performances this season have not been good and for me he has gone backwards....
O'Brien was castigated when he first arrived from Bradford, but he has knuckled down, worked hard and probably is not as gifted as Leeming, but for me he has moved waaayyy ahead of him in the pecking order.
Jools mentioned Leeming in the same post as Roby! Leeming is nowhere near as good as Roby or Clark, looks unfit, regularly drops off tackles and his minutes on the pitch is low compared to others.
Would absolutely love him to fulfill his potential, but he needs to do the hard work first....'"
Its frustrating when people make stuff up in their own head about what I say. Its like I write one thing and people read another. please read what I said - I said his running game was second only to Roby, didn't say he was as good as Roby (or Clarke). Might he look unfit (your opinion, I don't particularly share it)because he's missed games through injury? -might he be doing lower minutes as a result?
As for the falling off tackles comment - where on Earth has that idea come from? he's missed 15 tackles from 457 all season!!!!!!
of course now its been said the rumour will perpetuate that he cant tackle - because someone read it on here and someone else said what a good post it was....
As a comparison Roberts who has made the same number of tackles as him this year has missed 40. Seb whos made slightly fewer tackles has missed 27, and Mellor who's made 10 more tackles has missed 34.
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| Oh my! What was I thinking - questioning your unrivalled knowledge of all things RL.
I've never known you reading something else into what someone has posted on here.....
These were my opinions of what I have seen from him this season and obviously unlike you I haven't been particularly impressed and as I said seems to be going backwards.
You mention Roberts and Seb in your post and I think most will agree including me that they have also been below par - but seeing as the topic is named "Leeming" I thought it would post my opinion on his performances.
Simon Woolford obviously knows a thing or two about hookers, so it will be interesting to see how much he rates him. Maybe our new coach is giving him less minutes because he thinks he in not putting in the effort, (just my opinion of course).
So after quoting Leemings stats for the season - do you think he has had a good season, as I feel we seem to go off the boil a bit when O'Brien is subbed.
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| I think he’s had a solid season overall- some games better than others. I have said time and again he’s young and still learning.
I honestly think “potentially” he’s a better all round hooker than O’Brien. (The comments by Hinchcliffe about It no longer being a game for 85kg hookers were interesting don’t you think) His stop/ start season has disrupted him this year.
His strengths are his tackling and his running game, he needs to work on his discipline. He also has a bit of a kicking game which adds another dimension “potentially” to his game that O’Brien does not appear to possess.
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| leeming had a good game lastnight, been due one!!
roberts has been a total let down this season, waste of space
id have ferguson, mellor, taai and murphy ahead of him in the second row all day long on this seasons showings
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| We need to get Ferguson off the treatment table first!
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| That won’t happen this year and history suggests won’t happen much for next two years either
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| Quote ="GIANTSRL"leeming had a good game lastnight, been due one!!
roberts has been a total let down this season, waste of space
id have ferguson, mellor, taai and murphy ahead of him in the second row all day long on this seasons showings'"
Still 4 yrs left on his contract
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| Quote ="djhudds"Still 4 yrs left on his contract'"
Do you think the length of contract has mad him too comfortable? I was very disappointed when we lost him to you. Then last season and in the World Cup he was great. Maybe with a full off season he might get back to form next year
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| no doubt ferguson has injury problems, but what a player he is when he plays
pinning hopes on roberts getting back on track with a good pre season, may have suffered burn out from world cup
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| Quote ="GIANTSRL"no doubt ferguson has injury problems, but what a player he is when he plays
pinning hopes on roberts getting back on track with a good pre season, may have suffered burn out from world cup'"
Ferguson really? I don’t see it, thewlis pushing Reiss Butterworth from bulls, another underwhelming signing
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| Quote ="djhudds"Ferguson really? I don’t see it, thewlis pushing Reiss Butterworth from bulls, another underwhelming signing'"
that can't be true people with all the inside info say that thewlis doesn't sign anyone
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| Quote ="djhudds"Ferguson really? I don’t see it, thewlis pushing Reiss Butterworth from bulls, another underwhelming signing'"
I think it’s more likely butterworhs agent that’s pushing, no?
He’s at Cas at the moment- so Daryl Powell clearly thinks he’s a decent player. Looks like his agent thinks he’s better than current league one- Powell must agree so his agent will be touring him round all the clubs.
I love how the rumour mill goes when a player being offered is suddenly coming- just like when an enquiry is made about one of our players he’s suddenly going.
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| His agent pushing him to thewlis, thewlis pushing him to coaches, currently playing cas u19’s, nowhere near their first team, coaches not keen so he may or may not come
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| Well the three coaches that are left
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| Quote ="djhudds"His agent pushing him to thewlis, thewlis pushing him to coaches, currently playing cas u19’s, nowhere near their first team, coaches not keen so he may or may not come'"
Or his agent contacted the club via RT and RT passed info on to the coaches.
ps Who’s his agent.......
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| Show me the money is his agent, he met months ago about him and coaches weren’t keen, he then met with thewlis who was keen who in turn keeps mentioning him to coaches, he was down there last week so may be done deal
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| Quote ="djhudds"Show me the money is his agent, he met months ago about him and coaches weren’t keen, he then met with thewlis who was keen who in turn keeps mentioning him to coaches, he was down there last week so may be done deal'"
Exactly- and SMTM doesn’t fit the shuttlwworth conspiracy theory does it. But what they DO is promote more highly than many other agents the players they have on their books.
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| There’s no shuttleworh conspiracy, fact is he deals with shuttleworth a hell of a lot, show me has hell of lot more players and you have to deal with them if you want some players, he prefers shuttleworth that’s a fact, he hates iyesten Harris and had andy kelly deal with him regarding Jake Wardle deal, but hey you know best as always, take it you know Thorman’s leaving too as you are so in the know
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| Quote ="djhudds"There’s no shuttleworh conspiracy, fact is he deals with shuttleworth a hell of a lot, show me has hell of lot more players and you have to deal with them if you want some players, he prefers shuttleworth that’s a fact, he hates iyesten Harris and had andy kelly deal with him regarding Jake Wardle deal, but hey you know best as always, take it you know Thorman’s leaving too as you are so in the know'"
You mean shuttleworth who supported Keith mason and provided evidence against RT in court. He prefers to deal with him does he? How odd.
But then I find some people are easier to get along with than others in business. Others not so much. Some bear a grudge, others don’t. Some have good business morals others mess you about.
As for Thorman no I didn’t- but then I don’t profess to be in the know about it. Hope he doesn’t mind you leaking it on here. massive loss.
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| thorman off with ikahihifo then?
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| One of them deffo, the other I have no idea
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| lolesi leaving saints
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| Sounds like Thewlis has got his man. Surely if Butterworth was any good Cas would have signed him longer?
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