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| Quote ="GiantDee"Yes he should go now, same drivel in the Examiner today, fact is that Widnes were almost as poor as the previous week against Wire yet deserved to beat us. 16 points down in eleven minutes all down to a stupidly light run on pack and a stupidly confusing merry-go-round of positions in the backs.
Gilly as run on prop with Doof, Larne and Mason on the park - ridiculous
Backs in confusion as only the halves and Jerry were in their normal positions.
Check the run on team, seven of 13 playing out of position (in each others positions). Two injuries lead to seven changes, what happened to strength in depth.
As for the crap in the paper about Fairbank being back, same for Wardle a couple of weeks ago against Wigan and several others over the last couple of years, whoever is in the Examiner saying how fired up and excited they are then doesn't play. That is frankly insulting to us as supporters, but sums up the problem. Nathan Brown is clearly a very good coach in terms of improving player's skills, sadly he clearly gets too complicated trying to stay one step ahead and yet again we have players who know they are good, but look confused.
Who is responsible for ensuring the players are confident and know how to react to game situations? I would say the coach
Nathan has done a lot of good to improve and develop several players, but what we need now is a single minded leader (such as Tony Smith, Michael MacGuire or dare I say it Shaun Wane), that is not what Nathan is, so time to go with thanks for the good things he has done.'"
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| Not for me.
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| Never been 100% committed to the Giants, season after season we have had the will he won't he saga waiting for a job in Oz, they realised he ain't good enough, so no job ever materialised. Saints came in and he was off like a shot. He done ok for us but nowt spectacular, still an empty trophy cabinet which is what he should be judged on. Get rid IMO. Get Baloo in now and some fire, passion, desire and pride in the famous jersey back into the squad. get em off twitter and in the George hotel to see proper Fartown greats who gave everything for the C&G. Last 4 weeks have been shocking and happened season after season so not a knee jerk reaction.
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| Go Nathan go. Time is up really - thanks for the memories.
He is over complicating our systems. Why not play players in their preferred positions? Sometimes his ego to make a difference is not positive. There is some Chinese warlord proverb about the best generals go unnoticed because the troops just do what is expect of them - and they win. Undramatic, simple and as expected.
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| Yes i think so, but not because he's leaving at the end of the season or just the bare fact of losing the last 4 games.
We've seen coaches announcing they are leaving clubs before with no apparent effect (eg Anderson at Saints, McGuire at Wigan) so have no problem with that - and it was the club that made the decision remember.
As for the losses, in both the last 2 we got into a winning position near the end but then shot ourselves in the foot - and yes I know we didn't play well.
My issue is the same that Jon Sharp was critiscised for - bizarre team selections and players playing in unfamiliar positions. This is something that I noticed last year but has now got worse. One player missing leads to 4/5 changes which given the size of the squad and the strength in depth is a joke.
Kev Brown missing at Widnes - we were told at the start of the season Cording was training with Brown and has been talked up as a ball player - surely a direct replacement and a one for one? No, lets change all the backs round which led to taking time to settle, which led to 16 pts in 12 mins! Defence is a problem so I expected a tackling machine called Fairbank back on Sunday - no again! If he wasn't full fit why was he in the squad?
It's decisions like these, plus I get the impression NB is a bit stubborn (apologies if wrong - I don't know him) so don't see him changing that make me think we should make the change now.
Baloo took over with Purtill from Sharp and made immediate changes to put players back where they belonged an we played some great rugby as well. I also have a feeling he will be a bit like Wane at Wigan, who quite obviously gets his team revved up and take it to the opposition.
Lets get back to 4 props (or minimum of 3), and a 6 and 13 who play as that - KB hasn't played as 6 or 13 for last 2 years, he plays in a 20 metre strip down left side (obviously playing to orders).
Maybe Betts has told him he'll be 6 at Widnes playing from centre field and getting hands on the ball every other play, which will put him back in contention for England?
Defence has gone lately, especially right side - why not put Murphy in at right centre to stiffen it up? Been impressed with him on his limited opportunities.
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| should go now but should have gone weeks ago
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| His usual platitutudes in the examiner.
Suggesting some players are not playing well ( what really ? )
Distinct lack of self responsibility or personal ownership from him. ( or even explaining why so many players were played out of position. )
I wonder what the players made of his comments......?
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| time for the tinkerman to go. A good coach but
1Has disrupted the side every year with the will he/won't he/ he is leaving debate.
2 Has a ridiculous obsession with playing people out of position.
3 prefers Moore to Lunt.
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| nathan has to go im afraid players are getting frustrated and divisions in the team are starting to open e.g. keving brown v LOD not getting on with each other at all.
the back line at widnes was just a joke i cannot understand the reasoning of that what so ever. should let baloo take over now and start to implement his stuff we could allready be looking at next season with the way the team looks like its imploded and if we are not carefull more players will look to leave so this needs sorting asap
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| Quote ="TRAV123"nathan has to go im afraid players are getting frustrated and divisions in the team are starting to open e.g. keving brown v LOD not getting on with each other at all.
the back line at widnes was just a joke i cannot understand the reasoning of that what so ever. should let baloo take over now and start to implement his stuff we could allready be looking at next season with the way the team looks like its imploded and if we are not carefull more players will look to leave so this needs sorting asap'"
Maybe LOD tackled KB in training like he and F'alago tackled Peacock at Leeds not got bounced off by a lightweight like Farrell as did KB in the Wigan game.
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| Baloo has a major imput, its not all down to brown on selection & structure.
Yes next year will be different with fringe and senior players going & some signings..... Again baloo has a major say.
Lunt sealed his own fate by sorting his loan long before moore signed.
Get bEHind the squad cos SL teams are improving weekly.
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| I hate to say it but its time NB left. He hits the same slump every year and we always get a different reason why the slump occurs.
I am confused about the teams lineup and I cant help wondering if we are a test bed for when he moves to the Saints.
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| Where was the slump two years ago? i seem to remember the Gaints ending up one game from old trafford.
short memories!
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| My LOD trumps your Kevin brown on every level...
If we lose against kr (and rest assured hope we do not - and events turn around) but should we start a NB out protest after the game?
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| No -because that sort of behaviour from fans doesn't do the club any good- ask Warrington!!!
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| I'm saying no, Nathan Brown should stay.
We've lost a few games on the bounce, and it's down to the players. Something's aren't working right, one or two injuries have forced some swapping about which hasn't worked but ultimately we had a team on the pitch which could have won the game on Sunday. I was just as disappointed as the rest of you walking away from the Widnes game, but the fact is we aren't going to win every game and nothing is won or lost at this stage of the season. We are still in fourth position and in the semi-final of the challenge cup. Before Nathan Brown arrived we would never have conceived of being in this position and wanting to oust our coach.
Some of you just need to get off your high-horses, as I highly doubt any of you are more qualified to pick team from our squad for any game.
Nathan Brown can turn things around as he has done previously, all of his comments in the examiner this week can't be argued with - he has got it right; the slumps we have each season are for different reasons.
Let Nathan Brown do his job and we'll do ours: getting behind him and the squad.
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| There's no doubt he'll do his job, im doing mine- not sure about everyone else.
Everyone keeps asking where this mid season slump comes from-personally I think it is helped along greatly by what's said on the terraces. Ironic since those contributing seem to think the players don't care. Anyone who thinks they don't hear or see the negative comments lives in a different world-they are human like the rest of us and respond to criticism just as we do.
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| Quote ="Run leroy , run !"My LOD trumps your Kevin brown on every level...
If we lose against kr (and rest assured hope we do not - and events turn around) but should we start a NB out protest after the game?'"
dont agree with a protest, this will just make things worse.
we need to get back to winning ways...if we lose the next 5 games then maybe a protest!!!
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| Flippin' 'eck!
We didn't even have a 'Jon Sharp out' protest. And this guy's infinitely better than that one will ever hope to be!
SUPPORT not protest is what is required.
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| No way will i EVER protest against Nathan Brown.
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| Don't misunderstand me guys - Nathan has been great for the giants and moved us up a level or even three.
He has been great for us - but would 5 successive defeats be acceptable? In my view - no. Especially when we know he is going to a rival and his replacement is already in place.
Nathan will always be respected by me100%- but no room for sentiment ,just how ambitious are we as a club ? I don't think our recent (average) past should limit us....please discuss folks.
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| Would never protest against NB or the players, do get a little concerned about reading the stuff fans post on here, Facebook and twitter affects the players.
Tbh if they affected by stuff like that they haven't got the right sort of mental strength and attitude to be pulling on a Claret and Gold jersey!!!
Should get some of the guys serving in afghanistan to have a little pep talk with em, tons of e posted about them but thank the lord they don't let it affect em. Man up get back to winning some games and take no notice of the good or bad stuff wrote about you.
Easiest game in world sat in the stands and takes courage to step out onto the field, Some of us would have given our right arm to play for Fartown/The Giants but we were not good enough, so the players need to realise they are very very lucky to be blessed with the skills and ability to do what most of us can only dream about.
Rant over
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| What puzzles me is why we stop doing what works at the same time each season
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| No,
he should stay where he is, it would disrupt Saints too much to bring him in now, we need to finish the season and then he can start shifting the players about who need shifting.
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| Isn't it time those Sport psychos started working their magic?
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