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| One year of failed promise and we are looking at the same type of has been/never will be player, nice! So much for watsons ability to bring players on, now we are after Chris Hill?!!? lol. I did say at the start of season that some Coaches only ever shine at one club and cant replicate elsewhere and maybe Watson is one of those....
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| Quote ="Hangerman2"One year of failed promise and we are looking at the same type of has been/never will be player, nice! So much for watsons ability to bring players on, now we are after Chris Hill?!!? lol. I did say at the start of season that some Coaches only ever shine at one club and cant replicate elsewhere and maybe Watson is one of those....'"
And maybe he isn’t
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| Watson only had a 49% win record for Salford. For context, Woolford's was 48%.
You hired him, presumably, based on a GF run that was created by Jackson Hastings and Joey Lussick and a cup final appearance that we didn't win after having a fairly easy run to it. Watson thought he would leave while his stock was high, which is fair enough but if you think that for some reason your fortunes will change overnight you may be in for disappointment. Watson when at Salford had a real reluctance to promote the good quality young lads from our academy, and it seems that continues at your club. This isn't a bitter 'rub it in' post from a Salford fan either by the way. While we would have been happy for him to stay at the time, the way he manufactured his exit showed a different side and we wouldn't have him back for anything.
He may come good for you, but I think his success (the small bit he has had) with Salford relied heavily on a few quality players in Hastings, Lussick, Evalds, and a pack punching above its weight rather than coaching genius. He did seem to have a knack for getting the most out of players that were seen as average at other clubs, but once again a lot of that could be attributed to raising their game due to the likes of Hastings and Lussick pushing them around the park.
He may come good, but I think you'll need to stick with him for a while before you see a great deal of improvement. Whether you all have the patience for that is another matter of course.
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| think it was the media that bulled him up
Carney and his merry men and the CEO of the sweet shop bought it
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| Was never over enthused by Watson's appointment and seen nothing to impress and show any improvement from last year. Obviously decimated in the key areas so got some mitigating circumstances that give him some leeway and deserves a run with a somewhere near full squad. Ref the comment about young players, that does worry me and have seen signs of that.... Oliver Wilson for me would have been a regular from the first game but seems to have only come in when we ran short of players. Posted that Sam Wood going - bring him through the academy get to first team then let him go... Chris Hill rumoured- can't be serious!!! Bringing in at least one more Salford player- we are becoming Salford. Is this the way forward? Yes some younger players have played but I feel only through necessity not choice- Jake Wardle a shining star but we don't seem to use him much in our play and how long before he goes?
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| As a Wigan fan I have seen fans wanting Watson to come in at our club. He had some success at Salford but as some of their fans have posted he may not be the chosen one. I fancied the Giants for a top 4 finish this year, I’ve been impressed by the quality of the young players coming through and add a much vaunted coach I thought you may have been challenging. Good luck going forwards.
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| Quote ="gazzagiant"Bringing in at least one more Salford player- we are becoming Salford.'"
Not quite whilst Saints had one former red Castleford had five in the cup final Evalds/Griffin/Turner/O'Brien and Olpherts.
At least we continue the supply chain, not bad for a club not allowed an "elite academy"
That said maybe the snake will make you into Salford with Tui/Seb and Fages.
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| Quote ="TheButcher"Watson only had a 49% win record for Salford. For context, Woolford's was 48%.
You hired him, presumably, based on a GF run that was created by Jackson Hastings and Joey Lussick and a cup final appearance that we didn't win after having a fairly easy run to it. Watson thought he would leave while his stock was high, which is fair enough but if you think that for some reason your fortunes will change overnight you may be in for disappointment. Watson when at Salford had a real reluctance to promote the good quality young lads from our academy, and it seems that continues at your club. This isn't a bitter 'rub it in' post from a Salford fan either by the way. While we would have been happy for him to stay at the time, the way he manufactured his exit showed a different side and we wouldn't have him back for anything.
He may come good for you, but I think his success (the small bit he has had) with Salford relied heavily on a few quality players in Hastings, Lussick, Evalds, and a pack punching above its weight rather than coaching genius. He did seem to have a knack for getting the most out of players that were seen as average at other clubs, but once again a lot of that could be attributed to raising their game due to the likes of Hastings and Lussick pushing them around the park.
He may come good, but I think you'll need to stick with him for a while before you see a great deal of improvement. Whether you all have the patience for that is another matter of course.'"
Agree with most of what Carnster I mean The Butcher says however I'm not sure a cup run involving Catalan and Warrington can ever be described as a "fairly easy run"
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| Quote ="Salford red all over"Agree with most of what Carnster I mean The Butcher says however I'm not sure a cup run involving Catalan and Warrington can ever be described as a "fairly easy run"'"
We can't lose against Warrington and Catalan were not the side they are this year.
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| With the injuries we've had in such key positions and the obvious impacts Covid has had for all clubs, I'm not sure we can even begin to judge Watson yet, although I like most am a bit confused with our recruitment. Nathan Mason now being linked with a return & Chris Hill an almost certainty.
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| Quote ="TheButcher"Watson only had a 49% win record for Salford. For context, Woolford's was 48%.
You hired him, presumably, based on a GF run that was created by Jackson Hastings and Joey Lussick and a cup final appearance that we didn't win after having a fairly easy run to it. Watson thought he would leave while his stock was high, which is fair enough but if you think that for some reason your fortunes will change overnight you may be in for disappointment. Watson when at Salford had a real reluctance to promote the good quality young lads from our academy, and it seems that continues at your club. This isn't a bitter 'rub it in' post from a Salford fan either by the way. While we would have been happy for him to stay at the time, the way he manufactured his exit showed a different side and we wouldn't have him back for anything.
He may come good for you, but I think his success (the small bit he has had) with Salford relied heavily on a few quality players in Hastings, Lussick, Evalds, and a pack punching above its weight rather than coaching genius. He did seem to have a knack for getting the most out of players that were seen as average at other clubs, but once again a lot of that could be attributed to raising their game due to the likes of Hastings and Lussick pushing them around the park.
He may come good, but I think you'll need to stick with him for a while before you see a great deal of improvement. Whether you all have the patience for that is another matter of course.'"
What quality young Salford players????? Did you even have a proper academy to appoint from? Didn’t the Red Devil get rid of that.
I agree with much of what you have said but not about the youngsters. There have been plenty coming through, and Watson has continued there. The main issue is many of what would have been out third year academy quit last year. So choice is limited. Club didn’t have an income so couldn’t give bigger contracts so many were lost.
I do agree about the rest though. Sezer hasn’t been able to do what Hastings did for salford.
There’s something not right- edwards has already had a dig and it just seems like some of the players haven’t bought into what’s being asked. Robbo is the invisible man. Injuries have killed us so browny isn’t waving his magic wand this time around.
Some odd decisions made at the end of last season letting turner and taai go but keeping gavet seemed bonkers to me. Starting the season with only two proven hookers then sending new youngster on a year long non recall loan? What?
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| Quote ="Salford red all over"Evalds/Griffin/Turner/O'Brien and Olpherts.
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You are seriously claiming Salford produced those five players ?
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| Quote ="Brick with eyes"You are seriously claiming Salford produced those five players ?'"
Evalds and Turner definitely were, not sure about griffin.
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| going back to hookers, what's happened to George Roby, the RL press were ting all over Warrington for Letting him go when you guys picked him up
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| Quote ="Salford red all over"Not quite whilst Saints had one former red Castleford had five in the cup final Evalds/Griffin/Turner/O'Brien and Olpherts.
At least we continue the supply chain, not bad for a club not allowed an "elite academy"
That said maybe the snake will make you into Salford with Tui/Seb and Fages.'"
this is hilarious - only two of those players you listed began at your academy - and both were about 10 years ago. THATS the reason you weren't awarded an elite academy.
Griffin came through Wakey. O' brien Wire.
we can all name players who used to play for our club.........
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| We've had a few young lads from our academy that could have broken through under Watson. Yes we didn't have an elite academy but we have always run an academy...
For example, here is our current crop...[urlhttps://www.salfordreddevils.net/team/academy/[/url
I don't know why you have always been confrontational, jools. I haven't said anything that warrants defcon 3. Watson will not promote your youth. He'll promote an obvious talent that can't be ignored, but how many of them does each club have? Not many. When he joined your club he highlighted the 'wealth of talent' available in the academy as a big factor as to why he joined, yet us Salford fans knew the smell that came from that statement the day he made it.
I wish you all the luck in the world, as we need more than four teams dominating the competition, I was just saying you may need to be patient.
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| Quote ="Brick with eyes"You are seriously claiming Salford produced those five players ?'"
Evalds and Turner were Salford academy products. Fages and Ratchford were also in that same academy team, which isn't bad for a club that doesn't produce talent.
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| Chris Hill is the litmus test, he is the stereo typical signing of a bottom 4 team that gets leftovers of players way past their best. I was expecting nuggets of unexploited talent the likes of which salford kept finding, not fillers like Hill, who is garbage and getting worse and has been for a while. Talk about a negative signing, that would be one of the worst for a long time (although cunningham will take some beating)
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| Quote ="Hangerman2"Chris Hill is the litmus test, he is the stereo typical signing of a bottom 4 team that gets leftovers of players way past their best. I was expecting nuggets of unexploited talent the likes of which salford kept finding, not fillers like Hill, who is garbage and getting worse and has been for a while. Talk about a negative signing, that would be one of the worst for a long time (although cunningham will take some beating)'"
I know for a fact that Ian Blease is the one at Salford that identified and captured specific talent, rather than Watson. He's an ex-player and ex-players agent turned CEO so he knows his stuff when it comes to spotting talent or hungry players.
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| Quote ="Hangerman2"Chris Hill is the litmus test, he is the stereo typical signing of a bottom 4 team that gets leftovers of players way past their best. I was expecting nuggets of unexploited talent the likes of which salford kept finding, not fillers like Hill, who is garbage and getting worse and has been for a while. Talk about a negative signing, that would be one of the worst for a long time (although cunningham will take some beating)'"
Chris hill has been our best prop this year, just to throw that out there.
Don't embaress yerself.
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| Quote ="Fantastic Mr Cat"Chris hill has been our best prop this year, just to throw that out there.
Don't embaress yerself.'"
Are you his agent? I know what i see with my own eyes, penalty machine that is way past it. thnx
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| Quote ="Hangerman2"Are you his agent? I know what i see with my own eyes, penalty machine that is way past it. thnx'"
no, i'm an optician, you need to make an appointment to come see me
Tell me Which line can you read
[size=150CHRIS HILL[/size
OF WARRINGTON
[size=85IS NOT[/size
[size=20SHIT[/size
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| Quote ="Fantastic Mr Cat"going back to hookers, what's happened to George Roby, the RL press were ting all over Warrington for Letting him go when you guys picked him up'"
Got sent back from west Wales and played about 54mins for the academy all year
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| Quote ="TheButcher"We've had a few young lads from our academy that could have broken through under Watson. Yes we didn't have an elite academy but we have always run an academy...
For example, here is our current crop...[urlhttps://www.salfordreddevils.net/team/academy/[/url
I don't know why you have always been confrontational, jools. I haven't said anything that warrants defcon 3. Watson will not promote your youth. He'll promote an obvious talent that can't be ignored, but how many of them does each club have? Not many. When he joined your club he highlighted the 'wealth of talent' available in the academy as a big factor as to why he joined, yet us Salford fans knew the smell that came from that statement the day he made it.
I wish you all the luck in the world, as we need more than four teams dominating the competition, I was just saying you may need to be patient.'"
Plenty of youngsters have made their debuts under Watson- plenty of youngsters getting game time. Ever thought that the reason Watson didn’t play your academy players is that they just were not good enough?
We’ve had a few make their debuts under Watson he’s playing plenty of youngsters....
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| had a good laugh reading some of the old comments on this thread.......
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